Losing the peep.......
 

After a lunchtime talk with my archery guru (known to all here as --- THE GERM) I think I'm gonna lose the peep.....and add a kisser button.

I shot 3D last night....and for about the third time in a row....got ticked off. I'm gettin older.....and my eyesight just isn't what it used to be. I wear glasses, but my eyesight isn't so bad that I'm restricted to them when I drive. It's just "annoying".

I guess I'd like to hear what you guys have to say. Right now..... the pin (.019) is "elongated" when I focus on the target. I'm shooting with both eyes open....and it's simply annoying.

It's cheap enough to give ita whirl (lose the peep....add the kisser). So... I guess I will, tonight.

I guess I'll be shootin' from 10 yds for a bit, huh? if I can't get this "down" LONG before deer season.....I can always resort back to the peep, easily enough. I'm just tired of the elongated sight pin.

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I don't understand how removing the peep will help withyour problem. Can you explain please?

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Might try and drill the peep out a little, make it wider. Or you can do what I did, laser surgery.:D

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Try a No-Peep and see what you think. I've used one for about 5 years now and love it.

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I don't KNOW it will, either, huntingson. But I'm willing to give it a try. We'll see.

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Huntingson it will work because I command it

RESPECT!!

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edit. miss read.

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yes[X(][:-]

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It can definetly work, I know plenty of guys that shoot a kisser w/ no peep sight. Something to keep in mind.....You will be shooting quite a bit to the left...(or maybe right, I can't remember) because you will be looking next to the string, not through it. Nothing that can't be remedied by moving your sight, just something to keep in mind.

I tried it, and just couldn't do it. Even w/ a kisser button I couldn't shoot vertically consistent. If you tilt your head even the slightest little bit, the kisser will still be in the corner of your mouth but it will cause you to hit high/low.......

That may be your answer though......Good luck.

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mobow that is why I have the 3 anchors

Hand on ear, noise on string, kisser just for the hell of it:D

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HA! ALL HAIL CAESAR!!!! I wasn't doubting that shooting without a peep can work, I just don't know how it wouldhelp someone seethe sight pinsbetter. Is the thought that there won't be anything close to the eye that could make it more complicated for the eye to focus on the pin?

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Due to the peeps close proximity to your pupil, and the fact that it restricts light, it causes your pupil to dialate. And if you've ever been to the eyedoctor and had your pupils dialated, you'll know that most things up close become blurry for a while. Same situation here. It just effects some more than others.

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I have no Idea and can not even spell "respect" right[&:]

What is in bold is my thought. You all get a few more extra's

Low light
Not having to worry about a peep.
I think you can shoot and aim faster, but I have never used a peep so I do not know.

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No doubt kisser button is effective. I used one for years but I do feel with a peep I am more accurate.

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I don't use a kisser with my peep.....but if I lose the peep....I need that anchor.

This is worth a try. I was telling germ....shooting 3D....I can still hit what I'm aiming at....I just HATE looking at that elongated pin.

For hunting....this wouldn't bother me a bit. I tend to shoot more targets than I do deer, though.....and it's simply annoying.

I guess my only other option is a clarifier peep. I sure don't want have to deal with a little lens that can get dirty.....but I might have to down the road.

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not sure I understand the elongated pin- is the pin blurry on the end and difficult to see

I went the route a few years ago and went back to the peep quickly just could not get used of looking beside the string - sure will enough practice it would be a better option

I had a similar problem when using a multiple pin sight - pins were blurred and had to concentrate - I starting using a single pin sight and will never go back to multiple pins - sight it in at 25 yards for hunting and will cover most hunting ranges in the east effectively -

so to sum it up my experience it was difficult and "frustrating" to try and transition from peep to no peep

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thanks, brknarrow.

I have time before the season starts to try it. I also shoot a "little" 3D (not too much competition....but I have an awesome range to practice in)....and 1 pin won't cut it for me for that application.

Here's our indoor range.....2 miles from my house!

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I say; buy a 12ga. 11-87. Load it up with 1oz. Winchester super X slugs and bash a huge hole in those suckers! They will fall right over like you screamed "Play dead" to a good dog!

Aiming is a breeze too with the fiber sight pins....

Just kidding man, good luck and letus know how it works out.

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Awesome range first of all - very nice set-up

Secondly - the single pin I use is made by HHa and you can sight in for several different ranges -just takes a few seconds but may not be the best method for hunting - I just prefer the single aiming point and also being able to see on either side of the pin- it is a vertical

to your point you have plenty of time to sort through different things and see what performs the best - for me it turned out to be the single pin option - good luck and hope things work out I know how frustrated i was a few years ago

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gmmat have you looked into the anchor sight. I dont know a whole lot about it personally but from what I read it may solve your problem. here is there web site http://www.archeryinnovations.com/ hope this helps.

Mark

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I tried shooting without the peep.

My group size opened up to about 4 " @ 25 yards.

At first I was really distressed about giving up 2" or so of accuracy.

I stayed with it and realized very quickly the extra 10 or more minutes a day of PRIME hunting time was well worth it.

I don't use an actual kisser, just a few half hitches of serving thread and a little string wax - good to go.

As far as shooting on one side of the string - don't sweat it.

Keep shooting and try moving your anchor point around and you will find a new spot that will line you up on one side or another.

For me all it took was changing from a wrist strap release to a "T" handle.

I am not saying this is the HOT set up for all archery shooting - but- for shooting Eastern whitetails it is thebest set up I have tried.

When I got rid of the peep, I also got rid of all those confusing and blurry pins. When speeds hit the 250-260 mark one pin set @ 28 yds and regular practice was all a fellow needed towack and stack em.

Leo

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I just figured that "REPECT" was a result of all of your heavy lifting trying to be more like Hunsucker.

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Hunsuckers is not even in my league:D

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GM...do you shoot with your glasses on?....unless your eye is right up to your peep(which i doubt it is) then i don't think itis limiting the light going into your eye.....

let us know if removing a peep worked for you.

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Kisser to the corner of mouth, nose to the string, line up pin through peep. Great combo,works for me.;)

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Thats one heck of a nice range GMMAT!!!!!

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It doesn't take too long to adjust to not using a peep. I shot about a month this year without a peep after I bought my bow. Actually thought about not putting the peep on at all. When I was young I didn't use a peep for years.

Put the pin tip on the edge of the string and you are good to go. I like looking on the left side of the string better than the right. That way only the tip of the pin is showing compared to the other side where the whole pin is showing.

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That's right.. if your form and anchor points are consistant you can manage without one. I kind of like it when I am breaking in a new string before I put in the peep. I think I could get used to it.

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Good News / Bad News

First....the bad news. Bad news is....losing the peep did nothing to help the situation I already shoot with both eyes open....and I lose looking through the peep once I have it aligned witht he sight ring (essentially...losing the peep).

Good news is.....it's the lighting in the range. It's an old grocery store....and all the overhead lighting is old flourescent fixtures. When I go outside.....everything's fine.

So....I'm going to be frustrated indoors.....and be fine, outdoors. I can live with that.

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I shoot with a kisser and without a peep for hunting.
I also use a pendulim sight (one pin theory) I have always been able to hit what I am shooting at but this year I moved my pin from vertical to horizontal in the swing. Since doing this my groups have tightend up.
Another benefit of moving the pin is that I get a crosshair effect with the string and pin, eliminatinglooking to the side of the string to see the pin.
Once the horizontal pinis on target it tells me if my grip is twisting the bow.
I have attached a picture, you can see the cross hair effect with the pin and shadow of the stringon the wall.
Good luck and happy shooting.

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I have a pair of 48 year old eyes that don't focus up close like they used to also. Ihaveperfect distance vision, but I have about 10 pair of reading glasses scattered around the house, work,and one in each vehicle. Just can't see up close anymore. With my pins being fairly close together. They tend to blur into one. I know it didn't use to be that way. The rest of you young whippersnappers just wait. Time will catch up to you too.

I called a shop about the varifier mentioned in your other post on this subject. The guy told me it will help some people but not all. He said to come in when I have some time and we can play with it. It takes a while to set up a new peep and try all of the different power lenses they have. But he said some guys really love it. I think I am going to try it after the HNI get together. Don't want to mess things up right now.

Anybody ever try the varifier?