Chocolate Addiction
 

So, we recieved two semi's full of freight for our store today. Down in the bottom of one of the boxes were three releases we've been asking for since I started; Carter's Chocolate Addiction and Evolution and the Tru-Ball Trail Boss.

After shooting all three, I am indeed addicted to the Chocolate Addiction. Now, I can pro-form one of these and get a fantastic deal on it, but I would be interested in using it for hunting.

Have any of you use similar releases in the past in hunting situations? Did you like it? Dislike it? Positives, negatives?

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could you post up a link of one? I've heard of people talking about them before but I can't remember what they look like.

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picture please.

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http://www.carterenterprises.com/products/cho_add.htm

$169.99 is the price in store.

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i'd pass on that. better off buying 2 dozen arrows

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Like I mentioned, I can pro-form it and get a good discount on it. You have to shoot it first to understand that its really worth the cash.

Besides, I already have $120 worth of FMJs. I think I'm good on arrows.

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Oh my! You could own a Timber Hawk Kill Shot pack, the Worlds Finest Hunting Pack for that kind of Money! (no spamming)

I have not shot that type of release......ever. What is the advantage?

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I'd be interested in hearing about it as a hunting release as well...I currently shoot a Carter Quickie 2 Plus and think it is the smoothest I've ever owned. I believe all their releases are specially designed for loops. Good luck...

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Wash:

I shot a target 4, last year, for a while. I even took it hunting a time or two.

I liked it at first.......but then had little confidence in the release. I sold it pretty quickly. I had it slip from my loop a couple of times.....and I lost confidence.

I've actually been thinking of giving one another try......but I doubt I will.

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Jeff,

I shot it quite a bit today and liked it really well. One of the other guys working tried to shoot it twice, both times he wound up poppinghimself in the face. I don't know if the loop slipped through or he didn't get it cocked right or what, but I can see how one could lose confidence in it real quick.

I don't know though... I think I'm in love. [With the release. ;):D]

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not a problem at all to hunt with one. much better option than a wrist strap in my opinion. you can just hang it from you loop and its ready whenever you are (though the metal does get cold.) i've hunted w/ a 2 finger pure bt release before, and may very well this year.

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Now imagine reaching across to scratch your itchy hand and just TOUCHING that thumb release. THAT is what worried me when I used to do this.

I'd keep a spare release on hand if I did this.....

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JMO ~ But I have heard of 3 people shooting a release.....2 of them had the release slip off the loop. That is 66% of the shooters. I'm not a gambling man, but that is a rist I wouldn't be willing to take. Not only because I don't want to hit myself in the face, but it seems like things always go wrong at the wrong moment...especially when it carries the price it does.

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zubba, if you're questioning carter releases - you're barking up the wrong tree. you can use any size release rope w/ one and they won't slip thru. folks shouldn't be using a hair trigger, and you need to keep your thumb away from the trigger when you draw - that's what happened to those folks - just like you need to keep you index finger off the trigger when you draw a wrist strap release. i don't shoot a carter, but they are arguably the best releases on the planet.


ps: i always have an extra release in my pocket or treestand bag when hunting, no matter what kind i'm using. i have extra strings in a bag, a toolbox w/ any part i'd need besides limbs, and a portable press at camp or in the truck. i'm not coming home over bow issues.

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No it isn't. And yes....it was a carter.

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Hey tuffy, calm down. If you reread my post, I didn't even mention the word Carter. I simply stated that ~in my opinion~ if 2 out of three people had the release slip, then I'm not interested. Whether it was the shooters fault or the release, I don't care....I just wouldn't be interested. A lot of people like shooting a hair trigger, and if they can't shoot a hair trigger just so they can shoot a certain brand...then I'm doubley not interested. Keep in mind, this in my opinion and the work Carter was never mentioned.;)

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I've been shooting various Carter releases for nearly 15 years and have never had nor ever even heard of one having the "rope slip through". Somebody touched a hairy trigger and got popped in the jaw... I have had that happen but I admit that it was my own fault. If you're really worried that the rope is going to slip through go to a hook style like the Ember and if you're worried that your going to punch yourself in the head get more trigger travel and a heavier sear spring and learn to keep your thumb off the trigger while drawing.

I won't hunt with mine without a lanyard on it so that if it does drop I've still got it handy. (I wonder why they quit making them with a built in lanyard like the old Big Kid 3D?) The biggest problem I've found that I have is not firing them when I go to let down, especially with gloves on.

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Kodiak...

I didn't say my problems weren't related to ME....I just said they weren't as described by Gibblet.

Here's a question that'll let you see how much I know about these releases. Why use the rope? Why not just hook your release directly to the string loop?

See??? :D

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i just wouldnt pay 170.00 bucks for ANY RELEASE IN THE WORLD...


unless it was 24k gold plated, and then, maybe!

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Super for you.

Jeff, you don't have to use the rope. You can attach it directly to the loop, which is one suggested meathod included in the release's instructions. That is how we were shooting it yesterday and how I would intend to shoot it if I purchased one.

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Then I can tell you with 100% certainty that the release CAN slip off the string loop. it happened to me, twice. I lost total confidence in it......and sold it.

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Perhaps they've made some advances in the design, but I don't think it will. When cocked, the release head completely closes around the loop, no gaps. The only way it can misfire is if someone touches the trigger while drawing.

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Dan,

I've seen a few people I think the hunting community views as successful use them... Stan Potts and Lee Lakosky. I think Gibblet had some valid points about using one for hunting, and I may try in a couple years myself. My new Scott Wildcat is just working so perfectly for my hunting setup though right now I'm a little loathe to change.

I will be picking up a new Carter BT release this winter though to use with my brand-new Constitution as I get into 3D. I'm probably looking in the direction of the Just Cuz + right now... I'd like to try a few out for fit, but there's virtually NO shops around here that carries any at all. My fingers are on the smaller side, and I like the looks of the Fits Me Too but I'd have to be sure my finger would fit in the hole before shelling out the money for one. There was a great buy on e-bay last week for one, but I just wasn't sure...

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I'm not contradicting you.....just wondering....if ther eis NO gap.....HOW does it "release"? If it's a totally closed loop.......I don't see how it can release your loop/string. Again....just rying to learn.

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It's like a hook, Jeff. Half of a double caliper, if you will. Its got enough of an angle that a full circle can be made while cocked, but not severe enough that your loop won't slide out when fired.

I'll play around with it a bit more today and get back to you. As for now, I'm off to work. Have a good day, guys.

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gmmatt, using the rope on the release if for when a person doesn't shoot a d-loop. when using a d-loop you don't use the rope on the release- you take it off.

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They make several different hook systems. The Target 4 has the release hook close against the body of the release to trap the loop and can be attached either before or after cocking the sear. I've used this one a lot with a loop and can't see how it would be possible for a loop to slip through unless some really skinny line was used for the loop, but no way with standard loop cord. (however, that's neither here nor there, maybe there was something out of whack with your particular release.) The Big Kid 3D hook totally encloses the loop and is attached by pushing the loop into a slot in the head of the release and then cocking the sear; absolutely impossible for a loop to slip off of any diameter (but the loop has to be sufficiently stiff to apply pressure on the back of the hook to get it to close before cocking it). The Ember is an open ended hook designed specifically for shooting with a loop; you just cock it, hook the loop and draw. You could dump the loop on this one if you cammed it far enough (similar to a BT release) as you drew it but it would take a serious screw up to do it (having the release upside down and all your fingers coming off the release except your index).

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I used a Carter Insatiable 2 for awhile and tried an Evolution. I agree with Dan and Gibblet in that once cocked I don't see how the loop or rope could slip through without the release being triggered. Very strange.

I will not be hunting with a Carter because I just could not get used to a thumb trigger and while some hunt with pure back tension, that's not for me. They did just come out with a release called the Strapless which is an index finger release that is held like a thumb trigger. I may try this out if I get a chance, but probably not this year.

Good luck if you go with the Chocolate Addiction, a lot of people like that release very much.

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Is there a way it could get in a bind while your hand is "rotating" into the thumb down position? I'm SERIOUSLY wanting to try one of these releases again (a Scott Longhorn)......and I'd just like to know what was going on...before I go down this road, again.

The way I was connecting the release.......my "fist" was "horizontal". Then....I'd rotate my hand to the thumbs-down position to rest on my cheek.

Am I making sense?

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Jeff, that makes perfect sense. I had accidental releases too (one of the reasons I'm not shooting it now). I would draw and rotate my hand to anchor then as I was settling in if I adjusted my anchor and my thumb was on the trigger I would accidentally set it off. I lost and bust $30 in ACCs this way.[:@] I had a medium spring in it, but it was enough to set it off. That is why I decided I had to go away from the thumb release.

I would imagine you were doing something similar.

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I think that I'm understanding how you do it and that's the same way I shoot mine so I still don't comprehend how it happened unless the loop was too skinny or very worn. One thing I am always sure of is to hook my thumb on the end of the release (like pinching your thumb and index together) so that it keeps my thumb off the trigger as I draw.

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I use a thumb trigger when hunting. Actually I use a thumb trigger now 100% of the time for every venue of archery including 3D, indoor, field/fita, and hunting. I am using a Just Cuz for everything but hunting, and aTRU Ball ST-3 for hunting use. On the TRU Ball I use the modular wrist strap system thatlocks on and off the release so that I will never drop it and lose it........if things aren't attached to me I have a habit of losing them. With the open hook on the ST-3 I never have to worry about a loud audible click when cocking it, and I get the benefit of a super crisp sear style release without the noise that others worry about with a quality thumb trigger in the woods.

Today I am taking a break from shooting because I shot a 500+ arrows this weekend, but tomorrow I will be heading out for some quality shooting time and I will bring the camera so I can video how I am using the Just Cuz, how it attaches, etc. I cannot see how one would possibly have it slip off a loop. Some TRU Balls w/ the Talon Head specifically could slip off if you have VERY thin loop material, but I dn't know of a Carter that could if you are using it right. I can also show pics of the ST-3 I use for hunting,I have a feeling a ton of you that want to shoot a thumb trigger for hunting will try one of these because it solves all the problems and fears you guys are saying you havewith a thumb trigger for hunting purposes.

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Just Cuz is what I would recommend if it is going to be used for target specific venues. I also do not have large hands, I only have average sized hands and a Just Cuz fits my hand best, unless you have really thin fingers I think you hand will be cramped on a Fits Me Too. Have you tried any well known models of handhelds? I have shot most out there and can give a comparison if you know of another that does fit you.

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Thanks, Matt... I'd probably say my fingers are more average, but a bit on the smaller size of average... Matt/PA didn't think a Fits Me would work for me. I shot his Just Cuz a few times in my back yard and it felt nice.

I'm also looking at the Scott Longhorn IV primarily because I can get a good deal on one of those, if you've got any experience with that release...

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Scott longhorns have been around for a long time with a lot of proven success on the tournament line. I have shot a longhorn pro, and it is quality all the way, great option for a hinge or "hook" as I call them. They are very comparable to a Tru Ball BT Gold, TRU Tension, or Stan Mag Micro. There is a big difference though, the longhorn is a hinged triggerless back tension release, not a thumb trigger like the Just Cuz or Fits me too.