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i shoot 75# but i'm young.

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I always hear guys talking about marginal shots and going through shoulders etc. Considering that the average whitetail is taken at 15 yds or less and I can hit a quarter all day at this range,I don't wory about shoulder hits, nor do I take them. If you hit a deer in the shoulder, you have missed his vitals anyway. Maybe some of you need to practice more.;)Lighter poundage means more time at the range perfecting your shooting with less fatigue.

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I think there point is if you end up taking a marginal shot (aka. shoulder) the higher KE (aka. 70# draw)will be MUCH BETTER than the lower KE (aka. 60#draw). You don't always get a wide open vital shot at animals unless you hunt the corn fields of Iowa. :D Try the river bottoms of Wisconsin!

I spend more time at the range with my 70# SBXT then I used to with my 60# SBXT. 70lbs is easier for me to hold.

As for fatigue...None. I hit the gym 4-5 times a week and do pushups all season long.

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My riverbottomtimber is as thick as yours. Blindfold us and we wouldn't know which state we were in. ;)

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My alley is set at 65#. I can shoot more, I can shoot less. I've done both, this is my comfortable poundage.

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Don....the first deer I ever killed was a shoulder shot. I didn't mean to.....but I did hit him there. It's gonna happen......sooner or later. Luckily, for me, my arrow penetrated the off side.

What I'm wondering is....why would it seem to bother people if people chose to shoot 70#'s. The harley reference (both the 883 and the 1600 will both go 65mph) seems spot on. It's personal choice. No wrong answer. Both get the "job done"....and actually....the 70# bow is only "insurance".

What I think is....there are people pulling 70#s that shouldn't be. It may cost them in the future. It may not. On a hit animal, though......I can't think of a negative with the 70# draw weight.......and I'm not even one of "them".

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I'm not refering to taking a shoulder shot or me missing the mark due to not practicing enough. I've refering to when a deer jumps the string or turns when you release. It happens.

I practice all year long and wouldn't hunt ifI didn't.

Whatever works for each person then let them shoot what they want.

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I don't care what one shoots for poundage. 100# is fine with me.

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Ausie is right. Plus he is fun as hell to talk to with that accent of his. I have talked with him several times on the phone. I look forward to meeting both of you guys some day. Hope your bow is up and shooting soon.

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I'll be moving down to 50-60lbs for my next bow.

Tom

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My Jennings was set at 76#, but I think my new bow will cap out at 70-72#. Since I'm no expert at judging yardages,I need to be as flat-shooting as possible. New rig should accomplish that, despite the lighter weight.

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Fantastic, Don. Most of us can do the same thing at 15 yards, but as any seasoned hunter knows, **** happens.

When and if it does, I'll be prepared.

As for fatigue... I can shoot my 72# Allegiance all day long with absolutely no problems. I'm in fantastic shape and have no problem with the weight. It isn't a macho thing, its insurance.

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I'd get an 80-90#er for even more insurance. You are not shooting your potential Dan.;)

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That would turn into a macho thing, Don. ;):D

My point is, I can draw 70# comfortably. I can shoot 70# all day long comfortably. I enjoy shooting my 70# bow.

Maybe when I'm old like you guys (:D)I'll turn it down to 60#, but for now, I'll be sticking with 70#.

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Last time you posted the video of you pulling 70# Wash.....it didn't look that "easy" or "comfy"....lol.;)

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:DThat was right after I had started shooting my new bow, Jeff.

I shoot 80+# bows daily now, paper tuning them for customers. 70# is cake.

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More power to ya, buddy. I'd still like to see the vids of everyone putting their sight pin on the target and (like you were doing so on an animal....trying to remain undetected) slowly drawing their bow straight back.

Ithink we'd be surprised.

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Jeff this is the EXACT reason why I went from my 70# Hoyt to my 60# Bowtech! I was busted too many times. Plus it was too much when it got cold out! My Bowtech is maxed out at 61# and have now problems busting whatever!

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I just had another guy on another forum arguing that it is a myth that bows perform best at their peak weight. He has a 70# bow and turns it down to 62#. I knew he was wrong so I called Bowtech's headquarters and spoke with John in their tech dept and to quote him."

A bow is going to perform best at its' peak weight and it leaves the factory at it's peak weight. When you turn the poundage down you are throwing off the specs of the cams, the draw length changes, and you are not getting full deflex out of the limbs of the bow. The bow is not as efficient as it was designed to be." End of quote
Phone # off of Bowsites website:
888-689-1289

My wife says I should have been an attorney, I always research my facts.;)

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My bow is set up at 72#. When practicing it is a breeze and I can do it all day.
But I have noticed that if I'm hunting on a cold day, and I'm sitting ina stand for hours, I have a tough time getting that sucker back slowly without shaking the whole dang tree!

I know I should be flexing and mabye even lower the draw weight, but the bow was free and it has never let me down. It shoots straight, and from what I've read on here over the past couple of years; I'm not going to screw with it if it isn't broken.

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Thats why you don't take marginal shots,;), so they really have no point!:)

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I'll drink with you again on that one.

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To clarify: When I stated marginal shotI meant one where the animal has turned at the shot. It's not meant to mean a shot that possibly should not be taken in the first place.

And really I'm not even sure why this is an argument or why anyone needs to justify the weight they shoot at. It's a personal preference and has nothing to do with macho anything.

My Ally at 70# is easier to draw and hold than my Whitetail legend was at 60#.

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If women and children can kill whitetails using a 40" or 50" why shouldn't everyone just use a 50" bow for deer hunting? It will do the job just fine so why even get a 60" bow?

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This is from last spring. The lean forward wasa step I built into my shot sequence last year to break the leaning back at full draw habit, that is intentional and has nothing to do with the weight. I don't lean at all now and no longer have to do that step in the shot sequence.

Anyhow, I am shooting a 71lb Apex 7 in that vid. You can see once the bow is up, the sight doesn't move the whole way through the draw sequence. I was also shooting 500-700 arrows a week at that point as well, so my conditioning was top notch, don't think I could do that now over and over again like I was able to last year.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v283/ringostar40/Archery%20Competition%20and%20Form%20Pics/?action=view&current=MOV00961.flv

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Why doesn't everybody use a .243 for deer? Why don't they? It's everyone's right and choice to use what they want to.

Let me introduce something else here. I find it suprising that some of the same people that argued about using a heavier arrow over a lighter one for increased momentum are now arguing against using the highest poundage that you can shoot comfortably with a heavier arrow. The higher the poundage the faster you can move a heavier projectile along and the further that projectile will maintain it's speed. Which results in higher momentum at impact.

IfI can shoot an arrow that is 30 grains heavier 10 fps faster why would I not do that? And if I upped the weight by another 40 grains the arrow would be traveling about the same speed but with a higher KE and momentum.

I'm over 290 fps w/ a 421 gr arrow. I'd rather have that than 270 with the same arrow weight.

As for drawing it back. If I couldn't hold the bow straight out and draw with just my right arm I'd lower the weight. however, I cna do it so I'm not dropping the weight. I see more movement in guys with 55 lb rigs than I have with mine at hte range all the time.

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My new warranty replacement limbs are on the way. I had them change the order from 70# to 60#. I have been shooting at 65. I will bottom out the new limbs and that should put the bow at 62# or very close to that. I think I will have a quieter and more efficient bow. I don't think I'll be giving up much at all in the way of speed or KE. I should have it by the weekend. I'll shoot it through the chrono. At a 3-D a few weeks ago I was getting 264 fps with a 425 gr arrow. I will shoot the same arrow and let ya'll know the results.

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um......... 64 lbs 3 oz

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You might be surprised. It might shoot faster too. Bows don’t perform the same when you let the limbs out. All bows are designed to shoot at the high end of the limbs.

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I was getting ready to post this and you saved me the work. People don't tend to believe the statement above when they read it on the internet or hear it at a proshop. That is why I called the Bowtech technical dept today so that no one can argue or dispute this fact. Like I said several posts back, backing a bow out of its' peak weight changes the cam specsand their performance, the draw length, and the bow is not getting the full deflex of the limb. The bow is less efficient. If you own a 70# bow and are turning it down to 65# or less, you probably could get better performance with a 60#er peaked out and registering 61-62# on the bowscale.

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So if we have 70# limbs keep it cranked up?

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Yes, and no. Like the other guys are saying your performance is best with limbs at full stress. However, that doesn't mean you should sell your bow if you want to shoot at lower weight or that you have to shoot at full draw weight. Your just not at the most efficient setting for the bow.

If you don't mind about loosing a few fps then don't worry about it. Just wait until you buy your next bow and get one that maxes at 60#.

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Gotcha, I have been shooting a 70# bow for about 17 years so I am used to it. This is the first time I have ever heard of hunters going down in wieght, guess its the tech. Just bought this bow about a month ago so will not be purchasing another for a while, the last two lasted 10 years each. This new bow is very fast so even at 60 or 65 lbs it will be over 300fps thats all I need.
Thanks

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No, not at all. But it will perform best at peaked weight.But if you are one of the guys that is always buying a 70# bow and turning the poundage down to the lower 60# settings your bow will not perform as well as a 60#er peaked.

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Don your timing for this post couldn't have worked out better for me. This split limb problem may turn out to be a blessing!