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if you dont know my story i dont bow hunt yet and havent shot a bow in years since i was little and that was only with a tiny 9lb compund bow that i was lucky to hit a target with...but plan to start bow hunting this coming fall...i was thinking...when you shot down a hill your shots with a rifle hit high i think im not sure...but anyways do you climb a tree and resight in so you are set to hunt or do arrows hit the same from 25ft up in a tree and on ground?? say at 20yd shots if that matters...also...say you shoot 100gr broadheads and 100gr field points...you sight your bow dead on at various ranges with the field points...do you ahve to resight it in with the broadheads you want to hunt with??...what do you do sharpen them if you shoot them or what? i plan on using muzzys and see nthey have practice blades i think they are...will them work and fly where the hunting blades hit?? thanx alot im just getting prepared so im not an idiot and miss deer and dont know why....i want to be ready and take one shot and make it a good one...not like my friends that shoot 5+arrows a year and never get a deer to show for it...thanx alot..

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Yes and no. Sight in for 20 yards on the ground. When u get in the stand and shoot down on an animal, its going to hit a little high because of the less gravity effect. If your dead on on the ground, u have nothin to worry bout. It only hits a little bit high. If there so close where its going to hit really high, its a low percentage shot anyway. If there to close, u only hit one lung or u drive it through the back. In that case, id say wait for the deer to get out a little farther. Just sight in dead on at 20 yards and practice in your stand so u know where your going to hit.

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When you are up a tree you dont have to resight just bend at the waist.
You can tune your bow so the field points and broadheads impact in the same spot if not you will have to resight broad heads.
The muzzy practice blades shoot exactly as the razors do.
The best thing you can do is practice not only on the ground but from up a tree at your hunting height just remember to BEND AT THE WAIST.
Also practice sitting kneeling and in every position you can think of.
Did I mention that when shooting out of a tree to bend at the waist.

Hope this helps.


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You've already gotten off on the wrong foot. This bowhunting thing just isn't going to work out for you. It's suppose to be fun....not worrysome. First thing you need is a BOW. The next thing you need is to SHOOT it and observe... and have fun. Don't go getting all wrapped up just yet in downhill/uphill/sitting/cold/hot and all the in between stuff. Buy a bow. Shoot it. Get a couple lessons. Then come back with your questions. It's suppose to be fun. You're trying to come up with ALL the possible questions before you've fired a shot. Your friends don't shoot at deer 5 times a year without getting a deer because they didn't ask all the questions. They miss because they don't practice or practice smart..... or they lie a lot. Get a bow and have fun.

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FUN!!!! David are you CRAZY!!!! This is an obsession, it is not fun! LOL

David is right mauser it needs to remain fun, I have to say you do remind me of myself when I started, there is no harm in asking questions now in regards to equipment and setups, it shows us that you want to do it right, not half way. First thing to do is get the bow, all the bells and whistles you feel are needed, arrows, and broadheads/practice broadheads/field points and then trust me, you will have more questions then you can shake a stick at!

Here is a suggestion that made a huge difference for me, try shooting one pin set dead on at 20 yards, then practice at all distances you feel comfortable with, there is nothing worse than knowing a deer is at 20 yards and in the heat of the moment sailing one right over thier back because you accidently used the 30 yard pin. The faster a bow shoots the less distance there will be between your pins, so confusion(at least for an old man)of pins is easy.

The Tazman aka Martin Price
Founder and President of
Virginia Disabled Outdoorsmen Club

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[the other guys are right as i browsed their replies...
this is an obsession for most of us....then there are the guys that only pull there bow out just before season.
once you are set up get out to as many 3d shoots as you can this helps in range guessing and getting to know your equipment...
I have not had a problem with point of impact between broad heads and feild points till this year. the doe was 45 yards away the arrow has more forward of center which drop abit sooner then expected...the second arrow didn't miss. get out there shoot and have fun.....

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Practice from a tree stand with broadheads and you will know where they are going to hit , in genral they hit the same as when measured from the base of the tree as when you are on the ground of coarse from comes into play here thats why you try it before you go hunting .

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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but you will have to be sure of placement as well. Hitting the deer is one thing, getting a kill shot is another. Take a look at some diagrams of deer s vital organs, so you know exactly where to aim.
Another thing that I think that helps are 3-d shoots. If the shoot is a good one, they will have shots where the deer are broadside as well as quartering away. It helps you know just where your arrow will hit if you shoot at a quartering away deer. Some 3-ds even have treestand shots, where you are shooting down at deer. I think once you have a bow, and are ready to shoot, practice is the biggest thing, like tazman said, know your pins, know your comfortable distance, and know your target and you will be dragging.
hope this helps

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Remember that gravity only affects the arrow on the horizontal component. If you use a laser range finder from your stand height and range the base of the landmarks around you(where you would expect to shoot) you will get a reading slightly farther than the horizontal component because you are shooting along the hypotenuse of the triangle. If you are going to use a laser rangefinder, range the landmarks as close to the elevation you are at as you can. That way you are only getting the horizontal component and you won't be shooting high. This may be getting too techy sounding and take some of the fun out of it, but it is info that should be useful in the future.

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Everyone here has good stuff to say. Bottom line is that you should shoot your broadheads, from a tree, with your hunting clothes on and remove all doubt of where and how you are hitting. and also, never reuse replaceable blades for shots at live deer. One shot, hit or miss, and new blades go in.

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mauser there is one more thing that I feel every bowhunter should know, that is thier effective range for a clean kill. The way I determine mine is whatever distance I can put 6 out of 6 arrows in a pie plate I subtract 10 yards from, this allows for the nerves when the big one is there.

I know there are some that will take a deer beyond 40 yards, but to me that is to far for any bow or hunter, all the deer has to do is take one step as you release, or turn as you release and you wind up best case with a clean miss, worse case a gut shot deer.

My personal range right now is 25 yards, I am hoping when I get my new bow it will stretch that out to at least 30 yards, maybe 35, I doubt if I will ever be willing to even think about taking a shot over 40 yards no matter how good a shot I am unless they make a bow that shoots twice as fast as the best of them shoot today. Do not get me wrong, if a deer did not move I am sure you could kill deer out to 60 yards, but we are talking about a living animal, not a target!

The Tazman aka Martin Price
Founder and President of
Virginia Disabled Outdoorsmen Club

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im not really worried im trying to get knowledgable before i get the bow in my hands so i can enjoy more without worrying...im like a preperation freak...weeks before a hunting trip my list is made and the stuff im not using is getting packed...the night before even a small game hunt i check my gear 5 times to make sure i got it all...i just like being ready...i will definently enjoy shooting and bowhunting i cant wait...im just preping my self so when i get the bow i can go out and not look like a moron and actually get the bow sighted and tuned and then practice my little heart out and then some...my friends miss so much because lack of practice and they really dont know much about bowhunting..sure they see deer but they cant hit them because they dont shoot enough or know much about bows and such...my one friend never fierd a broadhead and wondered why he gutshot a doe...i just want everthing to fall perfectly in place for me and when i get that shot on a nice buck i dont miss because i didnt practice...they dont practice mainly becasue of football...i rather bow hunt and after breaking my wrists the first day of football i am done...thanx alot guys!!

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If you get well-prepared and start taking deer, maybe you will be an example to your friends. You could make it a competition thing. As you practice with them, make a game out of it-that can't help but make them want to be better prepared. No one likes to lose.

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Personally I think you are doing the right thing in preparing before you go out. But you got to give it to ol'David he is right the most important thing is to practice and keep it fun.

I like to use an old set of blades to practice with the last month before season. I use field points of the same weight as my broadheads up until then and then switch over to the old blades. When i am ready to hunt just screw on some new blades and go.

The other guys are right there is little difference as to shooting out of a tree vs the ground if you bend at the waist. But to be safe you should always practice from any position you plan to shoot from before it happens. Doesn't even hurt to practice sitting down now and then because I have been put in the situation where I was unable to stand up before a shot.

Good Luck

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mauser,David is right. Your in trouble already. This sport will make you obsessive compulsive. The good thing is it's a good obsession and this site is like an AA meeting for archers. I know cause I had most of the bad ones. A lot of your questions will be answered by experience and practice. Untill you get into the technical side of archery things will be fun. Every now and then I have to put down and move away from the bow. Good luck with your new obcession.

One thing you will found different between rifle and bowhunting is shot placement. Very important. It's not so much the entry but the exit of the arrow. The sad part is that some new bowhunters will lose a couple of deer before they realize this. Accuracy and shot placement should be your # one priority. JERRY

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Mauser06,

If I can give you any advice it would to shoot, shoot, shoot and then shoot some more. There are probably around 8 million different bow setups out there and the only way to get used to what YOU have is to shoot. Every bow setup, regardless of what you have on it(rest, overdraw, string, broadheads, field points etc...) will shoot a little different. I notice guys on here and other sites asking how far is too far of a shot..... Well that all depends on your setup, how much you shoot(most important), what your shooting at etc... The only way your going to know what your bow will do and what shots you are most comfortable with....all depends on what YOU are confident in. If you practice a lot at 40....well then 40 and under is going to be a good distance for you and all the way down the line. I am fairly new to bow hunting, so it is very important to me to practice as much as I can. Not only will practice help you figure out what your bow can do, you must practice on keeping your anchor point the same, anykind of breathing technic(sp?) you need to have and strengthening your "So called bow hunting muscles". They need to get a workout too. Hope that this makes sense. Davidmill had it right....Get your bow, shoot it and then go from there. Good luck.

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comndr45 is exactly right. for the purposes of an example im going to blow these yardages way out of perspective to give you the idea of how this works. so please don't use (a squared + b squared = c squared) and say &quot;nodose you're whacked&quot; <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

lets say you're in your treestand and you have a deer on the downward slop of a hill. lets say its standing next to a tree and the base of the tree is 60 yds from you. follow the base of the tree upward until you're looking directly across at the tree and range it. lets say the tree ranged at 30 yrds. then you would shoot the deer that is actually 60 yds from you for 30 yds.

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bow hunting is an addiction. but it is perfecly leagl. it is good for me but kills the wife. get ready to here a lot of winning and complaining from the other half. be it wife girlfriend etc. gun season is short bow season is long, get my drift.to make the above post a little clearer lets try this,

you are 10 yards up in a tree (30 ft.)
your target is 20yrds out.

10 squared=100
20 squared=400
100+400=500
square root of 500=22.36 yards
so a 20 yard shot from a stand that is 30 foot up is actually
a 22.36 yard shot hope this helps
most of all keep it simple and have fun

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thanx guys...believe me i love shooting and used to shoot a bow when i was young and loved it..then my dad quit and i never advanced up to a decint bow...i love spending my free time in the woods and shooting...ive been wanting to get into this great sport for years just dad quit when i was young and i wasnt old enough to go alone..now this coming season im 16 and will be alowed to go alone and will be driving hopefully by bow season opens if not i got woods and spots ready for me behind my house i can walk to..i will look funny carrying my 3d back there and my bow and stand to practice but im going to give it all i got and im going to try my best to take my first deer with a bow my first season...everday after school i can hunt if i dont work..i have the free time to practice and hunt and im ready..i already lost a girlfriend due to my hunting..she asked if i was going to take her to the xmas dance and i told her its the last day of rifle season shes nuts...she found another date and i left her...didnt bother me one bit..i got to go hunting and then to shoot my buckmark that day so i had a blast!..thanx alot guys...and nodose and the others with the formula...we just learned that in geometry! i was one of the kids yelling at the teacher because wed never use it! thats pretty neat how it is useful!.....thanx alot...