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Okay, this is more like it. I moved the rest back right 1/32" and up just a touch. This is what happened at 20 yards. I haven't set the sights yet, but once I adjust them, the BH group should be right onthe FP group at 20 yards. First the FPs:

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I was hopign you werent shooting broadheads into the target! [8D]

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Sorry for the delay. First I couldn't get the reply to work, then my mouse died. Here's the pic of the 20 yard BH group. Don't know what happened with the dead center. I'd say this is better.

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Your gettin there! Keep tweakin things an i think youll be able to get it shooting straight!

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Every one of those shots killed a deer.;)

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I am still tinkering with mine as well, every broadhead i shoot wants to go low and right - Stingers and muzzy 100 grains - could speed have anything to with it , the stingers flew like darts out of my 64 lb vtec and were striking right on with field points - now they are low and right out of vectrix

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Speed definately could have something to do with it as well as spine.You changed bows and went to a bow with a higher stored energy,therefore,it is entirely possible that the arrow is underspined for the current setup.

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littlechief,you are getting close and it looks to me like you are still left with both fp and bh's.More with the bh's so a little more tweaking might be in order.


IMO,feathers would make the whole process a bit easier.;)

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And every one killed a hog too! You'll be ready come June!

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You didn't mention which broadhead you were using. Some are a lot easier to tune to shoot with field points than others. Expandables, of course, are usually the easiest. And for the fixed blade models, some are better than others - depending on the bow and the shooter.

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Had to go away for a while, and my mouse is dead.
TFOX/Txjourneyman,
Everything was low left. That's what I was happy about. Like I said, I hadn't adjusted the sights yet. After I adjusted the sights to match, and the FPs are centered and the Montecs are hitting good at 20 yards and a little low left at 30 yards. 5" groups at 40 yards. I still need to tweak, but I'm pretty sure I can take a hog at or less than 30 yards. I did notice that one of the five arrows wanted to fly it's own path, so I set it aside for more arrow work.

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You may be able to turn the nock a little/alot,or even replace the nock on the flierto get it to shoot with the rest.

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keep messing with it looks like its almost there

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You may be right, but it's a lot closer than it was. According to the Gold Tip chart, my 28" arrow at 71-75# draw with a 125 grain head falls right at the border of needing .340 spine and .300 spine. The 7595 Hardwoods HD spine is .300. I was shooting 5575's with a .400 spine. Granted, I haven't gone to the lengths that Straightarrow described over on the technical forum, but I thinkI'm a lot better off than I was.

I've already been considering going to 5" feathers to increase steering control. It would also increase my FOC from 11.11% to 12.15%. I'm not willing to go with a lower profile head, though. I want and feel like I need that larger cutting area.

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Roskoe,
I'm shooting 125 grainG5 Montecs.

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Umm yes but is the "Margin of Error" Acceptable, sorry LC[8D]

You are looking good!!Keep listening to TFOX he knows his stuff.

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Tfox

Changed from a 400 epic to a 340 beman Ics so the spine should not be an issue- Just curious with todays low profile broaheds - if speed had a major impact on broadhead accuracy - the bow is tuned and shooting bullet holes with field points but my stingers are low 3to 4 inches

The rocket I tried yesterday hit dead center - but not a huge fan of mechanicals I will keep tinkering and see what i can find out

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LC, another thing that might help a little, is to place a small piece of tape or paint a small dot (about 1 inch) in the middle of the BIG dots on your BH target. Just a suggestion...

TFOX, is probably right on the $$$ about the nock on your wild arrow.

You'll get the bugs worked out.

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That's right. You know, I forgot about that. Aim small, miss small, right? That's one of the first things I was shown at the range when I bought my bow. Instead of having me shoot at a target, the owner put an insulation tack in the back wall and said to shoot at that. It made a huge difference. I know now not to use a tack. When I hit it, it ruined the FP/insert and left a tack buried in his backstop.;)

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I will take you one step farther. Don't aim at a dot at all.

Aim at vertical and horizontal lines on your target.

Draw a line from the left to right on your target (or right to left;)). Then aim at that line when setting your nocking point or adjusting your sights up and down. Only worry about keeping your pin on the line horizontally. If the pin floats left and right don't worry about it, as long as it stays on the line.

Then aim at a line from the top to the bottom of your target. Use this line to set your center shot and while moving your sights from side to side. Again, only concentrate on keeping the pin on the line, don't worry if it floats up and down.

Aiming at one axis at a time is easier to do since your brain and muscles only need to do half the work. They are not fighting to keep the pin steady up, down, left and right. It sounds goofy, but try it you will see what I mean.

I suggest working on your nocking point first (or moving your rest up and down). Then move to your center shot. ONLY adjust one axis at a time! Resist the urge to make two adjustments at the same time, unless it is way off and you are just trying to get everything "close". Nocking point first, then center shot. After that check them again and adjust if needed. It's a process, and it takes time.

Same thing goes for shooting a rifle. When adjusting a scope only adjust one axis at a time. Don't take a shot, then change your windage a few clicks and your elevation a few more.

And when I commented on your spine I didn't mean to imply you had the wrong arrows. Just that it could probably be fine tuned some more by changing tip weight, fletch weight or adjusting your poundage to get the arrows to more closely match your bow.

And remember like I said before, shooting broad heads is a bit trickier than shooting target arrows. It requires better and more consistent form. Don't always expect the arrows to group as well.

Closely matched arrows are pretty important as well, I suggest numbering them. If you keep getting fliers, check to see if it's the same few arrows. Chances are they are not right and need to checked over or pitched or used only with practice tips. It's not uncommon to only have 6 decent hunting arrows out of a dozen, especially with carbons in some cases.

Looks like you are getting it though. Actually I would be happy with what you have if the arrows are flying straight.

Paul

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That " Margin of Error" part is toooo funny!:DI think that's part of what keeps us coming back.;)

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Good advice paul,I use that all the time but rarely suggest it.Probably because it takes 2 pages to describe.:D


Little chief,5" feathers would be overkill and might even be more than the arrows could handle.Fast,light(not really sure where the cut off lies)arrows don't like alot of drag,slows them down too fast and they become unstable in flight.I doubt it would be a problem at hunting distances though.

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all your shots are just a little down to the left

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TFOX,
Fast, light arrows? Remember, I dropped to 270 fps with a 475 grain arrow. I know that 270 fpsmay still be considered fast, but surely 475 grains isn't considered light. I haven't decided yet, but if I did decide to switch to feathers, what would you recommend?

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childers,
I know. That was the good part. Consistency. I had just adjusted the bow and hadn't moved the sight yet.

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That is why I stated I really don't know where the cut off lies but 475 grains used to be considered light and 270 is still somewhat fast.Regardless,4" feathers are plenty.;)

The 5" needs to be saved for those that choose the traditional gear.

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Got it, TFOX. Thanks. That'll increase the FOC just a bit more if I go that route.

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If you get them flying well with vanes and decide you want to try the feathers later we can fletch a few up when you get down here. I have a few 4" feathers laying around. We could also try a couple with Blazers if you'd like, I've got a couple hundred of them.

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tjm,
Thanks! I may go that route. I'm not really that anxious to fork out half the cost of the arrows to get them re-fletched, so I'll keep working it.

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OK, well when you are here we will have fletching lessons. I'll just show you what to do and then you can explain to your wife how buying a jig will save you money not cost you money! :DYou will enjoy doing them yourself!

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Yep. I think she'll go for it![8D]
(I know she will. So far, she's already let me get a Drenalin and all the accessories, another dozen arrows, four packs of BH's, a rangefinder, and a Yamaha Grizzly 660 (for gun season). Yep, I'm a lucky man!