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I've found my long range goals in hunting have changed. What started out as a quest to see if I was capable of getting close enough to "A" deer to make it happen......has evolved, greatly.

I conquered that part. I then moved to wanting to take the best deer in my woods....or AT LEAST put myself "in the arena" of attempting to take one of these animals. Did that.

I NOW find my goals (short and long term) changing quite frequently. After talks with my wildlife biologist (something I urge everyone to think about)....my goals have turned to the betterment of the herd I hunt......for the long term. Getting "A" deer, to ME, isn't of great importance, anymore. I want to have a healthy, content herd to hunt for years to come. I'm not even talking about "QAM". I'm talking overall health of the ENTIRE herd. I think the quality of the bucks will take care of itself.

I hear VERY conflicting stories when I sit down with neighboring land owners/lease holders/hunters. I saw a TON of does, this past year. A friend who leases land near me only hunted there a few times. He saw 46 deer in those sits......38 of which were bucks. he took ZERO deer off this tract (120 acres). Another neighbor saw a lot of does, too. He took ZERO bucks off the property.

I hunt about 60 acres (land I actually HUNT) that'sabuts a triangle of land that includes a "Sanctuary" of sorts (parks system) of about 200 acres. The total triangle encompasses 700 or so acres. I know all the guys who hunt these grounds LEGALLY. We're a close-knit bunch.....and we all have similar outlooks. We're lucky in that regard.

I've got my eye on ONE buck that I have a history with. Besides him......I'm likely not to target a buck, this season (never say never, though.....there are bucks that likely grow old and die in these 700 acres that are NEVER seen by a man). Does will fall to all of us, in numbers, though. Our biologist thinks I could take as many as 18 off these properties without affecting deer sightings, too much.

Do you guys do an assessment like this each year? I know some of you aren't lucky enough to be in this type situation, but I'm wondering if you go into each season with "A" game plan (no pun intended;)).

It would be nice to revisit this thread at the end of our seasons to see how we managed our "game plans".

Thoughts?

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The last time i actually got to hunt and scout nearly fulltime i had a game plan for the group that i hunt with and i would say it went pretty well. 5 of us shot 6 p and ys between 140 and 190 gross. But yes i know what you mean about goals. I like seeing deer so does really dont bother me and i do not feel there is a reason to shoot them where im at. I think my goals are to hunt hard... find a mature buck and hope he is what i am wanting. But score really isnt an issue. If they are 4.5 or better they are getting shot.

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Yes, I do the same. 2x years ago when my father first moved to the property that I now hunt, we had the property surveyed and marked for logging. It has been in the family for 60+ years but my father had another farm previous that we hunted hard that ended up getting sold when he retired. The property we hunt now is partially owned by my Great Aunt, Grandparents, Parents, and me and is about 120 acres total.

Anyhow, on the new property we picked someone to manage the logging project that is a retired PA game biologist, and we talked with him at length about what we wanted with the project. We wanted a piece of property that would be ideal for a healthy deer herd, and didn't want the logging project to revolve around $$$. We could have taken a lot more oak and cherry off the property however we left some of the mast producing trees there, and opened up enough for the light to hit the ground good. We also paid to havemost of the tree tops moved to the one side hill that is in the middle of the property to create an ideal bedding area. He also talked with us at length about what we needed to do there for taking deer, and that is shoot the does.Our one neighbor will pass the small bucks and we have some good 2.5-4.5 year olds because of this but they don't shoot does and the population is way out of wack because of that. We will see 5-6 does of 1.5 years for every buck of 1.5 years during season. We try not to shoot bucks unless they are as wide as their ears for now but our real focus is on killing does. We only have about 120 acres total, so we will never have the ability to just grow monster bucks but I do think that if we can kill a good 6+ does off the property this upcoming fall it will help the herd tremendously. Hopefully Rob / PA can come up and help us a bit because between APAJaws, my dad, and myself we can't pull enough tags to get the job done. I need one more guy that I can trust and can get a doe tag or two for 3B in there to shoot one or two does.

We are only 2x years into hunting and working on making this property a better place for the deer but the results are already showing. You should see the deer activity on the tree tops from the logging project and how they are now focused on patches of the property that never before held consistent deer movement. The bedding area we built is used heavily and is a deer sanctuary that we don't disturb. They are more dispersed through the property now, and now we don't see skinny deer with ribs sticking out in the winter pictures, they all seem to be much heavier and healthier in the winter pictures we see. I don't feel they are all competing for the same food sources now. This upcoming year should really produce some good deer encounters for us, there are 3x bucks I know of that are still on the property that are just about 3 years old now and one that has got to be 5 years old right now that is very very sneaky.

Call me an antler farmer if you want but I love spending the time making the food plots and photographing the deer and to be honest I only hunted a food plot one time this year during late season when I had a tag that needed to be filled.The rest ofthe hunts that occurred on this property were all a long ways away from the food plots.

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Yes sir, goals and attitudes change quickly especially the more a man loves this sport. The more you love it, the more sacrifices you are willing to make and the more you're willing to put into it. These days I seem content to simply watch and enjoy the show the vast majority of the time. I have a certain caliber of animal that I'm generally looking for but most importantly I hope that my property serves more as protection for most areadeer. I, like you, practice QDM by harvesting an alloted number of Antlerless deer that we generally determine through our own observations and those recorded by our trail cams. We try to keep sex ratios and herd numbers in check and constantly monitor them throughout the year. I have areas dedicated as sanctuary and work hard on habitat improvement projects from foodplots to bedding thicket improvments. To watch deer mature and thrive on property that you put your heart and soul into is what it is all about for me. In fact, I never really understood the term "blood, sweat and tears" until I tried to elevate my game and dedicate my hunting towards mature bucks and a quality herd. I wouldn't have it any other way though. I also have even more of a reason to get excited these days, with 3 young childrenbut only 1 old enough to hunt for now, I look very forward to sharing this hunting with them in the future. Allowing my kids the chance to observe and learn nature and all the principles of QDM is a tremendous reward for me. I have spent more time in the past few seasons helping other sportsman and youth hunters harvest their trophy deer and turkey than I probably have myself but I find myself reliving the excitement as if I were 20 years younger. The "buzz" I get watching a hunter hear their first spring gobble boom from only 60 yards away still jumpstarts me. The wide eyed look on someones face when that mature buck steps out of the brush only 50 yards away..... man, that's what it's ll about. This season you can bet I'll be out there again helping others enjoy tis sport that has rewarded me with so much but I'll still find some days to perch myself 20 feet up and wait for that 150"+ buck to come just a little to close to my stand.

Best of luck to ya this season with all your goals

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i try to pick my goals and stick with them...

but last year i was new to bow hunting. i wanted to get any legal deer down asap and get one under the belt. i didnt see the does that my area normally holds. i figured on seeing and having many does around me most every hunt. the area i hunt USED to be like that...you couldnt walk in the woods without seeing does. but the herd was greatly reduced. most of my management unit is urban/suburban hunting. except for mostly the area i hunt. its mainly all farm land and wood lots. those wood lots get POUNDED in rifle season...and you can take a doe with a rifle for 5 weeks there...makes it pretty easy for everyone that takes does. so last year i opted to spare the does. i seen nearly as many does as bucks..so i opted to wait for a legal buck. you know the rest;)

this year im TRYING to find an area to hunt with large deer numbers just to get 1 or 2 under the belt...but i still want a legal buck. legal bucks here is 4pts to a side where i mostly hunt..though if i goto camp its 3.

all depends on time available to hunt and what the area holds. im not going to take out one of the few does that live in a wood lot. ill take one of their bucks out..another buck will most likely breed them.

i want to find some hot spots around my campus. i got EVERY evening available to hunt(depending on what needs done. tuesdays and thursdays are my busy days with 3 classes from 9-315, but could still be on stand by 4...if i wanted..Mon wed fri im done by 11:) cant wait...

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I don't have any long-range goals yet. I'm starting off exactly where you did, Jeff. I just want to get a buck close enough and make it happen. I'll grow from there.

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My goals are pretty simple.I will take a deer that gives me the shot I want to take.My property I hunt on is a 3hr trip one-way soI don't scout pre-season and don't have the time for foodplots

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At our deer camp we've been practicing some of these things for a few years now. The guy that owns the property had it timbered out 2 years ago and the guys that own the property down from us had theirs timbered out 5 years ago. We did a lot of shooting does the first couple of years that PA opened up the regs on them and have laid off the last several years. This year was the first year we really started to notice a difference because last year with the farmers' crop rotation and the undergrowth not mature from the clearing the deer hadn't taken hold yet. Now with the cover, the food plots on the timber roads and the farm providing forage there is a considerable difference. The deer look healthier, there is a much better buck to doe ratio, the bucks are more mature and able to establish dominance for breeding, and each year more good bucks are being shot. We may not see as many deer as we used to, but the deer we do see are much bigger in body and healthier looking.

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My goals have changed, especially my long term goals over the years.

Today my long term goals are to stay active in the NASP program along with taking at least a student or two a year hunting that otherwise would not have the opportunty.

Personal for hunting. I will keep this short and sweet. Hunt only the mature animals in my areas. Let the young grow up.

Continue to work with habitat enhancement and landowners.

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Absolutely .... every hunting season, mystrategyis a result of a mental evolution that has taken place since the previous season........ is there a buck that has my attention from last season .... is there one from summer scouting ..... beginning season .... I have plans today for the upcoming season that will inevitablychange as I compile info from various resources. Neat thought Jeff .....

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Unless something drastic changes in the places I have to hunt, my goals (for deer) will probably remain to shoot as many does as I can, and take a mature buck. And hopefully to eventually take a 150+ buck in PA with my bow.

Now as far as long range goals for hunting in general go, I hope to take a trip west for elk at least every other year, continue to add new species to the list of those I've hunted for and do my best to maintain a good image of hunters.

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My goal is toget a shot at aB&C buck with my bow some day.;)

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My main goal will never change, put meat in the freezer!!!!! I started to upgrade my property with helping the herd year round with proper food and nutrition!

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my goal for now is to bag a buck with my bow. i will shoot a doe or two this coming up season, passed on them this past season and now i regret it. and when i say buck i mean a shooter. around 115 on the low side, though it would be difficult for me to pass a 100 8 point uup if i have my bow in hand.

long term is definitely hunt different animals. elk, mulies, speed goats, alligator, wild boar, world slam of turkey, moose, black bear, grizzly, and eventually a african safari. and the list goes on, im still very young in the scheme of things, so hopefully i can make things happen as i get older.

myy graduation trip for high school will be either a muile/antelope combo or a elk hunt out west somewhere. two years away and im already drooling. ill prob get to knock down a hog or two this summer if the plan doesnt fall apart for a possible georgia trip.

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Breathe in...
Breath out...
Repeat for as long as possible.

That's my plan.

My goal? To execute my plan in the woods as much as possible.

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How many deer are in that pile?

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Interesting topic to revisit.

I got absolutely berated by a fellow forum member for stating that I had a season many would love to claim. It's got NOTHING to do with numbers of deer taken (why I made that statement). It's got everything to do with meeting one's goals.

If your season's over......How'd you do?

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This is what its all about, WOW!

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My long term goals really don't have much to do with killing animals.

I want to continue to push myself harder and farther every year. I want to learn more about myself not only as a hunter,but as an individual.

Next fall I have three "hardcore" hunts lined up. I'll be backpacking with a friend of mine from workinto the Oregon wilderness for elk. I've got a hunt planned with my dad on the Washington/Canada border for spot-and-stalk mulies. After all of that I'll likely be backpacking into Idaho for mulies, and depending on the availability of tags, elk.

Whitetail hunting is definitely a blast, but it isn't my favorite type of hunting. I learn more about myself as a person and as a hunter when I'm miles back in the wilderness with my camp on my back.

I didn't have the opportunity to do any of this type of hunting this fall, and I feel I really missed out. The stories from some of my friends left me with a real strong desire to get out there with them again this year.

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Every year my goal is to shoot a P@Y class whitetail! My long term goal is to keep letting these little guys go by but at the same time if i see a little rack on a mature deer he will get the shaft as well to get him out of the mix! My brother and i have practiced these tactics for years and i think this year its finally starting to show itself a little. It does make it hard though when your fellow neighbors don't do the same and they still complain theres no biggy's around! It don't take much to figure that one out!

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One of my new long term goals will definately involve a long bow after shooting my cousins this weekend... ;)

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I believe this may be one of my long term goals as well.

As far as the rest....I have never really sat down and thought about my long term goals. As I have been discussing with Joey (kshunter) today, I want to do a float hunt in Alaska within the next few years.

Other than that, no idea as for deer.

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That a boy! Its an all new world and way of hunting compaired to using a compound! You will like it.

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well I can see one thing forsure Shultzy.. I am gonna need to practice A LOT! just to be good out to 20 yards.. I really like how light, clean and simple a long bow is.. wow I loved shooting it.. My cousin couldnt get me to put it away.. I was out in the snow and blowing wind.. for a good hour.. loved it!

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Float hunt In AK..sounds really cool Dan... Moose? Bear? bou?

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I'm thinking about Caribou. I havea huge desire to shoot a Mountain 'bou.

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That would be a great hunt... maybe the RJ crew needs to plan a trip? August or late JULY right?

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I hunt a well managed club of 5400 acres nothing under a 6 point is allowed for now working on getting up to 8 points but we have 70 members and nly 20 of us bow hunt for themost part everyone wines about the management and noone likes to come out on work days clearing fields for plots (which no hunting is allowed ) near plots , any ways we have similar goals but my main one is to teach my son the game of hunting and hopefully he will pick up where I leave off I was taught to give back to the game you hunt and always respect it , its not about the kill its the hunt and peace of mind one can get from the outdoors ... yall take care and good luck to all

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As a newbie to this board, (but not to bowhunting or message boards in general) Iknow the role of the newbie is to gradually work his way into the flow of things and let people get to know you so to speak and leave the heavy stuff to the veterans. But I guess I'll take the bait.

I thought we were done on this topic. But I guess some people feel as though they always have to have the last word.

So was your goal 18 or 8? Whatever it is (was), does the end justify the means? In other words, from your perspective,how many nonrecovered deer would it take in order to tarnish or blemishthe goal even though it may have technically been achieved?

I don't say this to be mean spirited. But you brought it back up, not I. Non recovered or late recovered deer are part of bowhunting and for that matter hunting in general. If you bowhunt long enough, it will probably happen to most of us sometime or another.

My first and foremost goal each year is to recover 100% of the deer that I shoot regardless of whatever else I may accomplish. I think it is a worthwhile goal, and if not achieved, the rest of my goal accomplishments are secondary if not nullified altogether. But that just me the newbie.

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My long range goal is to shoot 2 B&C deer.1 typical and 1 non-typical. I am prepared to try for the rest of my life. Even if I don't succeed I will be satisfied knowing that I tried.

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For a newbie...you sure did your research. :)

My goal was 18, initially. The farmer to my South got a depredation permit and took 10 with it. So....we re-evaluated and settled on 8. Does the end justify the means? I'm not sure of how to answer such a question. After a blemish....do we just quit? Is my season "nullified" because I have one unanswered question?

That's a tough standard. Kudos to you and anyone else who lives up to that. I'm impressed. My season was not without a blemish....but yes....I see my overall season as a success. I met my mgmt. goal.

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Look Dude we're talking your long term goals here,you just might want to raise the barmaybe a tad. ;)




NAGMP.:eek:

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Troy, you KNOW I would love to go on this trip with you. I would schedule my guided bear hunts a little later in order to do it.........you got my wheels turning!!!!