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Ok, so i have tuned my bow, eplaced strings and all of that good stuff, but my 20 yard pin seems to be very low. i hae 5 pins tottal and the are all bunched up at the bottom, got like an inch and a half space between the top of my sight and my first pin, and then i have the sight it self lowerd in the brachet as far as it will go. what is going on with this D@#$ thing???? Any help?

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Probably has something to do with how you anchor the bow at full draw, or where your nocking point is on the string.

Paul

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Paul, can you expand on that a little? I had to switch sights for a similar reason, but would like to be able to use the other one if at all possible.

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well not saying that i am perfect but i am almost 100 positive i anchor the same way everytime. i will go home and check my nock point but sure that it is good as well. been checked before.

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Can you adjust the entire sight down andthen move the pins up? The sight frame should line up with your peep sight.

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Ihave a similar problem due to where my anchor point is. Even though I anchor with my thumb under my jaw. I'm sure it's all based o nthe structural shape of my head and face.

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What type of rest do you use? Can you move both the rest and the nocking pointup a little? It won't take much....But if you can move them both, you will still be able to tune, and that should bring your pins up as well. Even1/16th inch will have you shooting several inches high....Then you would have to bringyour pins up......At least in my mind that would work, don't know why it wouldn't....

Man, where's TFOX when ya need him.....He's likeThe Tuning Jedi Master....

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Well seems to be maybe my nock and rest are to low, i well go home and move it slightly up, hopefully it will even out my sights.

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I'm not saying you are anchoring inconsistantly, but it may have to do with WHERE you anchor. You may be anchoring the bow in way that makes you point the bow in a direction that would cause you to move your pins close to your sight window limit. Some actually run out of sight window doing this.

It is very hard to say without seeing your bow or you shoot. Could be your peep was set up in the wrong location as well. This is very common. I often see people changing their form to match a peep location instead of making the peep match their form.

Basically if you anchor high on your face it will cause you to point the bow down and if you anchor low on your face it will cause you to point it up. Same thing would go if your nocking point was too high or low on the string. And if your peep was in the wrong location it would force you to anchor differently than you should in order to see through it. Also doesn't do much for your form.

And I am not saying your bow is not tuned and your nocking point is off in relationship to your rest, but it may be too high or low on the string to begin with. This would also cause this problem.

I just did a search to see what type of rest you are using. I was thinking maybe a drop a way and it wasn't coming up correctly. But i see you have a WB and are you are messing up your fletchings. This would lead me to believe you do indeed have some sort of tuning issue with your bow.

Someone needs to look at your set up and watch you shoot.

My opinion anyway.

Paul

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Also keep in mind the black max is sort of hard to tune and shoot well. Not that it can't be done, but I wouldn't suggest it for a beginner archer. My local shop carries them but doesn't reccomend them to very many. I looked at one years ago and they advised me against getting it. They suggested the Ultra 2 instead if I wanted a faster mathews.

I looked at the original black max, not the newer one. I am not sure what differences are between the two to be honest.

Paul

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I'm here,it is just being covered.



Not really a whole lot that can be going on.


Anchor
noch point
rest height
sight too small
not enough adjustment on sight


If the nock and rest are level,then unless they are hitting,they are not too low.

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well i shoot it well and consistant, not sure why they say not a beginner bow, because it was my first. and now i shoot it great, and the lighter bows, that have a bigger brace hieght, to me are so easy to tune and shoot. so myabe i learned the hard way but for me it worked out quite nicly.


But in regards to Paul L Mohr, i will go home and see if maybe lowering my kisser button well help me out. Thanks

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All things are relative,how would you shoot with a forgiving bow?


You may not have some of the problems you are experiencing now because a longer bow will give you a better string angle and maybe you wouldn't have to anchor so high trying to get string contact with your face.



Work with your anchor,make sure it is solid,then set the equipment up to match,don't move your peep unless it is to get a better/more solidanchor.



Then make sure the bow is tuned,rest is right height and nock matches.


Then if there is a problem with the sight,if possible,adjust the whole housing down,if it isn't possible,then look for a sight that has more adjustment.


If it is sighted in and is shooting well,why worry about the pins at the bottom of the housing?


Shoot it and have fun.


All the above is if you NEED to move the sight.

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First thing I would check is peep placement. Draw back with your eyes closed and settle in to a comfortable anchor point/shooting position then open your eyes. Are you looking straight through the peep? If not, move the peep to where it needs to be, don't adjust yourself to the peep as Paul mentioned so many people do.

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I agree with Kodiak & TFox

I use the closed eye methind to set-up my peeps and have the sameissue as the poster. I stopped worrying about how low the sites are a while ago and just shoot and have fun doing so. Even on my old Bear Whitetail Legend my pins are low on the site. The ATA is much longer on that bow than my Ally. However, the drop diffrenence betwee nthe 2 bows is probably an inch or so due to angle of string and same draw length.

There is nothing written in stone that says your pins should be in the middle of the site with the site set-up in the middle of the adjustment.

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It sounds like you're learning but still have some hole in you knowledge base. When you say you tuned your bow.... what did you do to say it's tuned? From where you're starting us, it could be a number of things. Most have been covered. How do your arrows group? It's almost like a different person is shooting the bow so far. I suspect a peep or an anchor problem.... IF you are truly tuned.

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If your peep sight is very close to your string loop, it can cause your sights to be maxed out in there lowest position. You have two choices, new sights with more adjustability or raise your peep and adjust your anchor point some.