Pope & Young scoring question
 

Why do hunters get there buck scored then when it comes time to post it they state the gross score? Higher? When the whole point of getting it scoredofficially it is the net score that counts for pope & young.
Heck even same with B&C.

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The most obvious answer is ego. A higher number sounds better. But in all reality it can give use a better idea of the actual size of the buckif they dont post pics. We all know some truly nice bucks can take a good beating on the net score. Also, many people have an amatuer or themselves score their buck and dont even worry about figuring the net.

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It's all about respect. Respect for the animal. It is the best number to give someone in order to depict the racksactual size. Nothing to do with egos.

Respect! The buck demands it!;)

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That "respect" thing sounds familure!:D:D:D

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I miss that guy, I wish he'd post some more!;)

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I think it has little to do with ego alot of times. when you give gross and then you give net, it gives a person an idea of what a rack might look like. If I say, I got an 8pt. that gross'd at 110, and net was 106, I imagine a perfect nice little eight. If he said it grossed at 140 and deductions brought it to 120, I think of a snaggly deer.

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Here's an example.... This deer grosses over 135" but will only net 115". The deer is actually 5 1/2 and dressed at 220 lbs. He was the boss of his area. To say that he's a 115" 9 point with a 15" spread, sounds like a 2 1/2. Doesn't give the clear pic of the bucks actual size. Insult to the deer.

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This looks more like a 135" deer to me, more accurate description, not ego.;)

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The net score is the result of doubling the smallest measurements of the rack and then subtracting the lengths of all the abnormal points, which were never added into the score in the first place! Why would you want to do that? It's their book so you have to go by their rules to enter an animal. However, most people who are up on scoring, will agree that the gross score most accurately depicts the true size of the animal. It's nothing more than a descriptive tool, nothing to do with ego.

Another example....... this deer grosses 126 4/8 and nets 125 4/8.....125...126...what's the difference?

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It's about being fair to the deer... here's one that grossed over 180 and netted mid-160s. What does it look like to you, it has a 22" spread. Most people would call that a 180 class deer.

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I think it may be an ego thing in some cases, but in most casesnot. I also believe itto beas Greg said...... Togive an accurate representing of the racks caliber.

I will give you two more examples.....

This deer Gross scores 162 1/8 P&Y Typical. Nets 135 Typicaland change. This definitely isn't what one pictures when they hear of a 135 inch deer.



Does this next deer look like an 85 inch buck? It grosses mid-high 140's.

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Ok, here is one more..... He would net around 45 inches. Not what I think of when someone talks about a 45 inch deer [8D]

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I feel the same as most. the Gross reflects the true size of the buck and not the difference from side to side. after all i have never seen a buck that had a perfect side to side score. Gross for me.

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buckeye that second buck is way cool, I think he'd score more than 85" as a non-typical though.I totally agree with your point.;)
bloodcreek, the 8pt I killed last season only had a 1" side to side diff. Talk about symmetry.:D

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I dont have any of my deerput in the record clubs, but I like gross score. If I know gross score, in general its what your eyes are seeing.

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GregH, I agree with you that the gross score does give a better visualization of a bucks true size. Ego still has involvement for some people though.

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That's why I like the Buckmasters scoring system, no deductions, no measurement for air, full credit of what the deer grows.

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That guy is doing good I keep in touch via email.
He just got last years mount back and I am awaiting a pic.

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You have made some very good points and I agree. But from a P&Y perspective and being scored you should be stating net unless you dont have it entered?

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I read years ago...that theoriginal scoring concept wasoriginally drawn upfor HORNS not ANTLERS.... Symetrical horns... Then the concept was applied to antlers... antlers being far from symetrical compared to horns. Anyone elseheard of or haveany info on that?

Greg, Scott, nice work. Straight gross has really nothing to do with ego..imo. Anyone that understands score can see if a rack is gonna gross well and or net well or be hurt badlywhen theynet it out. Most also agree that a lot of bone is a lot of bone..no matter how it is configured! I know I would rather shoot a buck with 140 inches of bone on his head that nets 124 PY ...versus a 127 gross that nets 125 2/8and makes PY book... I'll take the bone..heck with the book. :D

I had a buck of mine scored by bushwhackers system and they scored everything straight grossbut they did notinclude an insidespread credit...has it changed since 02?

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The gross score is the only thing that matters to us here.

We measure alot ofsheds we find. Usually you only find one side. Even if you find both... I've never seen anyone break them down to a net score. Sheds are always gross score.

When we scout it is hard enough to estimate a fairly accurategross score. A net score isn't important to us. Gross score is.

Same for hunting and estimating a buck approaching. We estimate a gross score in determining if we will shoot it.

I haven't entered any bucks in the book nor do I ever plan on it. While I like P&Y's scoring for agross score... breaking it down to anet scoreis pointless formy needs. Passing on a buck with a poor net but abig gross is irrelevant. If the sheer size of his rack makes my heart skip a beat... that is good enough!!

Is it an ego thing?? Who cares as I imagine an ego is invovled in most things we do... including the guys who think it should be net score givenmore thenjust agross score. [8D] :D Interesting question!!

Tim

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My feelings are if the buck grows it, it should be counted. I never really understood deducting for abnormal points such as stickers or drop tines. When people around here talk about a bucks score, its always gross score.

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If you think it's bad for deer you should look at scoring a caribou! SCI is the way to score as far as I'm concerned.

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I definately agree

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a netisfor basketball goals!

I could care less about the net score of a deer i kill, the gross score is the only score that matters to me.

For example, i have a 14pt buck that grosses 141 but only nets 122 because he has 5 stickers that take off of his typical score. I 122" deer to me and my neck of the woods would be a nice 2.5 yr old buck. A 140 would be a great 3.5 yr old but more likely a 4.5 yr old or better.