Changing mind about the Vectrix already... need affirmation
 

No worries die-hard Hoyt fans, the"new woman" is another Hoyt.

I checked out the Vectrix yesterday and was very pleasedwith it. Today I do some reading on her cousin the Vulcan and now I think I'm in love,as inhead over heels.It resembles my Cybertec which I love so dearly and is 9fps faster than the Vectrix to boot.It'llprobably shoot 30fps faster than my Cybertec and have a smoother draw cycle on top of that. Talk about having yourcake and eating it too!

The links below pretty much just rave about the Vulcan.To summaries,itdiscusseshowthe Vulcan's6" brace height is every bit as forgiving as the Vectrix's 7" at the same time maintaining near identical vibration suppression and shot quality. So... would you consider the Vulcan a good move? Just tying to get a milti-dimensional view.

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=443770&highlight=vulcan

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=443704&highlight=vulcan

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The Vectix is a great bow. I shot it for a couple days along with the Guardian. Pick either or the Commander and you won't be disappointed.

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Which draw cycle do you like the best? I prefer a nice draw cycle over a couple of ftpersec myself.

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The Vectrix will outshoot the Vulcan by far.Go for the forgiveness and trash the speed.Trust me,neither you nor the deer will be able to tell the difference.

9 fps,that and 50 cents will get you a cup of coffee.;)

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Just wondering TFOX, have you gotten a chance to shoot both these bows yet? If so, what are your findings? The reason I ask is because a few guys in the linked discussions abovehave actually shot them side by side and arrived at the same conclusion that there's little difference between the two bows. I myself haven't gotten my hands on a Vulcan yet. From reading the links above though, the reports come in with near identical performance and draw cycle. Honestly, I'm more in love with the look of the Vulcan than anything else. The performance reports are just the cherry on top.

Have a look at the links and see if you think it's just guys exaggerating their Vulcans. Then again, some of those guys own both the Vulcan and the Vectrix and still gave correlating reports.

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You can't just say Vectix in my opinion. The Vectrix and the Vectrix XL give you two different bows with different limitations. If I were a die hard had to have a Hoyt it would be the XL, but that's me. If I were ordering today it would be a Bowtech Guardian. But you know, either will do the trick and I wouldn't be disappointed one bit.

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Draw cycle has NOTHING to do with shootability.The reason the draw cycleis the same is because they have the same cam.[:o]

High reflex along with a short brace will makethe Vulcan a much less forgiving bow.

No, I have not shot the Vulcan but the goemetry does not lie.I have shot enough bows and know enough about them to knowI like a deflex riser with 8" brace.I compromise a little for a hunting bow because that isn't necessary for poking holes in deer but 6" brace will never be on my list. ;)

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But those of us that are perfect don't worry about forgiveness.:D

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Judging from the blue undies,you need plenty of forgiveness.:D

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That Vulcan is a sweet bow as well. In fact, I ALMOST wish I would have gotten one over my Vectrix....TFOX is right in that it's not quite as forgiving due to brace height and speed, but it's alot more forgiving than you would think.

Either one would be a great choice....Shoot them both and decide from there.

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I appreciate all the constructive and informative posts guys. I think anywhere else I might get my head chewed off for asking about a 6" BH hunting bow. With that in mind,allow me todig a little deeper.

I don't mean in any way to be a smart ass about this but is that sort of like the old automotive saying "there's no replacement for displacement"? Reason I ask is because I wonder if the following example can in some way relate - There was a time merely a decade ago when car companies, mainly domestic, were using 300 plus cubic inch (5.0 litre)engines to make~250 horses. This meant for naturally aspirated engines that were producing ~50hp per litre... When all of a sudden, Honda developed a 1.8 litreengine that made 200hp. That translated to 111hp per litre whichtranslated to more thantwice the volumetric efficiency at less than half the displacement.

And I bring this up because I want to know if you guys think it's possible that with the bow technology we have today, that we can achieve the same performance(including forgiveness)with less brace height. From my understanding, Hoyt was able to keep string oscillation to a minimum with their String Suppression System which claims: Now from what I gather, and this is my guess so tell me if it's right- thatif a string is allowed to "bounce" back and forth after the shot, that movement could potentially play on the quality of the release of the arrow affecting accuracy. Not only that, forward movement of the string will momentarily shorten the bow's brace height. When this happens, any oscillation or vibration in the string would be magnified because of the shortened distance between the string and the rest. ??

So in essence, a 7" BH then becomes a 6 something and a 6" BH becomes a 5 something? However, if that's true, this is where Hoyt's string suppression system comes in to stop the string from moving forward. And if that's true then the Vectrix actually hasthe forgiveness that is closer to that of an 8" BH and the Vulcan actually has the forgiveness that is closer to that of a 7?

How much forward does the string actuallytravel during the shot anyway? Are we talkingsixteenths of an inch or quarters of an inch?

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TFOX ... I couldn't disagree with you more!! Where can you get a cup of coffee for 50 cents? ;)heh heh heh

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When comparing equal draw lengths TFOX is right on. When you compare a 30 inch draw to a 27 inch draw the shorter draw length guy could shoot the shorter brace height better than the long draw guy.

Even with todays technology, brace height, ata and speed are all figured in to give the bow its forgiveness ratings which is still way different than how accurate an individual is with a given bow. Shooting style, form, and body style have alot to do with it also.

And if you were to see my body style, I am built more for comfort than for speed.

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I put a thread in the technical section concerning this subject. I invite you to review it.


http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tt.aspx?forumid=22

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Monster,to a degree you are right,a 6" brace of today isn't the same as a 6" brace of yesterday but a 7" brace is better today than a 6" brace today.[&:]


It is true,the 27" draw you posses will allow a shorter a-a and brace bow to be shot much more forgiving than the guy that has a 30 " draw.That is the main reason I have avoided telling you to get the Vectrix XL.If your draw was 28 1/2",I would be telling you to get the XL.If it were 30" or moreIwould reccomend the 38 series.

I am WAY more anal about forgiveness and accuracy than most.Maybe because I fight for my skill level and it isn't naturall.I need all the help I can get.;)


And to add,there is still no replacement for displacement.I don't suspect to see a 4 cylinder in a top fueler anytime soon.:DYes,advancements have been made but I don't think that rule will ever be overcome.

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Ok,I don't drink the nasty stuff but I am sure you can somewhere.[8D]

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Update:

I called around and found a Hoyt dealer that had an assortment ofabout 40'07 Hoyts in stock including both the Vectrix and the Vulcan. This surprised the heck out of me because they are nothingmore thanan upstairs flatof a duplex that was turned into a bowshop, while at the same time, the "big dog" proshop here in town only had 7 new Hoytstotal. :shrugs:

Anyhow, it was (count'em) 1 degree Fahrenheit out with a steady 20mph wind gusting to 35, windchill minus 25 and wouldn't you know it, they only had a single hay bail outside as their shooting range. Well, I'm not about to buy a car without test driving it first, and so I did.

Evaluation: Dang the Vulcan is faaassst, especiallysince it was compared to my 238fps Cybertec. However, it felt like it could be very touchy. Incremental movements in my bow arm seemed as if it would make the bow shoot unpredictably. I guess it's the feel of a speed bow that I've just never come to know. What I do know though, is that I don't like it.

So yup, I decided on the Vectrix because it felt like I could steady it in my grip much much easier than the Vulcan. Seeing these two bows side by side in person, the Vulcan is not that much better looking than I originally thought through pictures online. The only thing that sucks about this Vectrix is that among the 20 or so they had in the store, none of them were 27 inches. So... it's on order and I have to wait 3 weeks.

The best part is that the price was only $679 which is a whole $70 less than the "big dog" shop I talked about earlier. So, I'm getting a Vectrix and single pin Cobra front sight that AFTER taxesonly costs about the same as the bare bow (BEFORE taxes) atthe "bid dog" shop.

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I guess you haven't achieved that point of "excellence" that we discussed.;)

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Unfortunately not because like TFOX, my skills don't come naturally either. If I am to be a great archer, itwill beby advances in technology. I still can't win any snowball fights because I can't hit nobody with my aim. Hmmm wonder if there's technology to fix that as well?

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Yes,it is called a paintgun.[8D]


You picked up on EXACTLY what I was saying about the "speed" bow or low brace bows.I think you will be glad you made the choice you did.


You know,most pros that I know won't even use the speed bows for hunting either.I quess they havn't achieved that level of excellence either.;)

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A long time ago I got into the speed mode. I wasn't shooting as good as I do now, but I did rather well. I shot that speed bow for about a month and then had to 'put it down' for a month to regain my composure. I found ouit what I was doing wrongby shooting a more forgiving bow. Went back to the speed bowand did very well until I sold it.

Can Ihandle a speed bow - you bet I can. Do I want to"handle a speed bow" - NO, not really. But, I find the Guardian to be very inviting. That design, even though it 'appears' to bereflex, has a definite lean towards a deflex feel with thatcenter pivot arm.

Good luck with you Vectrix. I can'thunt withany of theHoyt bows, regretfully.[:@];):D