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Not me I'm just a hunter with a bow in this forum. No scientist here.:D

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They stay sealed until it is time to use them. They use them to filter out chemicals from the outside in. If they were worn like regular clothing (hunting clothes) or left outin the airthe carbon would adsorb human "stink" particles and other airborn particlesand after a short time be ineffective against chemicals.

They destroy the garment after it has been usedbecasue reactivating it would destroy it any way becasue of the temperatures needed. Also if they had a bunch of used garments laying around i suspect that it would be very possible a soldier get issued used chemical suits that are pastits useful service life.

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Their called chemical suits for a reason. If they filtered stink and destroyed them that would be one thing. They are meant to filter hazardous chemicals. I'd destroy them too. I have no problem putting stink in the air. I don't want hazardous chemical being released back into the air.

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More on the subject... With the standard disclaimer than I'm simply providing links to information. You interpret it any way you want, believe or disbelieve as you choose.

http://www.scentlok.com
http://www.trmichels.com/ActivatedCarbonScience.htm

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YUP Arthur, that I read that TR Michaels thing this morning. Sureis interesting to me.

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They will filter "stink" just as well as they filter chemicals. Problem is that if they have been used to filter stink they become ineffective at filtering chemicals or any other kind of contaminate. Just bacause they call it a chemical suit doesn't mean that the carbon only adsorbes hazardous chemicals. The carbon isn't picky. Even if they have been simply left out in the air for days they still get destroyed becasue they can not be reactivated.

Regardless of what they have filtered, once the carbon reaches its adsorbtion capasitythey are ineffective until they have been reactivated and that requires 1400+ degrees of heat to acomplish which would destroy the entire garment.

Basically there is no way to reactivate activated carbon clothing with out destroying it. Regardles sof what the carbon has adsorbed.

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Thank you, any nore doubters?

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I hang mine in a metal scent prove containeroverthe camp stove when it starts glowing red.:eek::)

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bigbulls, this is what all of my readings and research show too.

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Gentlemen, this is like Deja Vu all over again. While you cannot fully re-activate your carbon suit in a dryer the process does drive off some of the chemicals (stink) adsorbed onto the carbon. This does not render it 100 0/0 re-activated but it does provide additional adsorbtioin capacity.So it works a little,yor odor nuetralizing sprays work a little, the shower and shampoo work a little, your rubber boots work a little, brushing with baking soda works a little. These all add up to small advantages. I'll continue using these products under my outer camo layer!

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I must be a thread killer

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Not yet dead, Dr. Andy. :D Its beginning to look like this site needs a "Carbon Bashing/Groupie" forum. First off, I have the Scentlok 3D pants and jacket which you can take out the carbon liner. I never wash the carbon liner and try not to 're-activate' it as little as possible. The outer camo clothing gets washed once or twice a year. I don't wear the clothes in hot/warm weather as, at least this set, is better suited for cool/cold weather and I'd be sweating pretty good which would definitely have a negative effect on the carbon. I store the clothes in a scent lock bag. The camo outer shell is the best hunting clothes I've found, for me, carbon liner or not. If I was to design a pants and jacket this set is almost it. So I am completely satisfied with it, whether the carbon works or not. As far as a bunch of technical jargon, I'm not disputing whether its legit or not. I really could care less. EVERY technical data I've seen posted relates to industrial (or such) use of carbon. I've never seen ANY testing done as to whether lower temps (household dryer) can or can not re-activate the carbon contained in these clothes to some degree perhaps being a percentage. I, as well as most people I know that wear scent blocking clothing, have no such fantasy that the clothing is a miracle fabric that will eliminate the smallest ioto of our scent in the presence of a deer. That seems to be what a lot of bashers infer. No such case. What we do believe is that it is another tool we can employ to AID in concealing ourselves. I would also say most of us have hunted without it and had plenty of encounters and interaction with deer to come to some type of valid opinion as to its effects/non-effects. Sightings of more deer, larger deer, and more close encounters without getting winded would cause any sound mind to assess their routines and gear just as not seeing deer or primarily yearlings and getting constantly winded would. When you have a higher percentage of positive field experiences with certain gear you naturally tend to put faith in said gear. Even if its your lucky hat or whatever. So when somebody tells you what you are doing or wearing doesn't work you can only laugh. They can say it a thousand times and a thousand ways but the proof is in the pudding. What gear others use or wear or shoot or whatever or how much they spend, as long as its legal, I could care less. Besides my own experiences with the clothes, I have several friends who wear the stuff and are just as pleased and have had quite similar results. Totally satisfied with their purchase and will purchase again. And it seems the posts I've read on this site alone of people who actually own and have used the clothes, the large majority are also quite satisfied. For anyone who says they own any of it (and has taken care of it) I can only say you should put in the classified section free to anyone who wants to try it. You'll either get a new disbeliever or you may make someone happy. I've given away 2 ready-to-shoot bows, all decent, as well as sights, rests, etc., all for free. I didn't really use so I helped out some fellow hunters. Try it. It feels alot better than pointless arguing.

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So it's something you have to have but you only use it under ideal conditions as you don't want to contaminate it. Hmmm.... seems like something I wouldn't have to have. Either it works as advertised or it doesn't. Snake Oil I say.. Snake oil.

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david, I'm quite sure scent blocking clothing is something you do not need. As a matter of fact, I don't think ANY of us NEED it. But I don't really NEED camo clothing but I like to wear it. I don't really NEED to wear underwear but I do. Well..... usually. I haven't worn any of the 'light' wear they have and don't really know if its as warm or not so I can't say. Its no different than having a light camo jacket for warm weather and a heavy camo jacket for cool weather. I've thought about getting some of the lighter stuff but here in Texas it gets fairly warm and I feel as though if your are sweating your arse off, there is nothing that's going to help. And we all know under the best circumstances we are only expecting scent blocking clothing to AID, not totally elimate. Also, have you ever owned or actually tried Snake oil? I've been thinking of trying some.:D

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Never tried snake oil myself, but chicken fried rattlesnake is pretty darn tasty.:)

Or a maybe Carbon True Believers forum where blind faith automatically overrules any scientific fact. [8D]

My personal opinion from what I've taken in on all these scent block threads and from what I've researched... All scent block has going for it is anecdotal stories. No independent scientific studies or lab tests. Just a bunch of guys who believe they see more deer when wearing it than they did when they didn't.

Doesn't occur to them that maybe they just learned to hunt better; or that they might be taking more care with their personal hygiene than before; that there might be a strong updraft in the wind currents between him and the unalarmed deer that appears to be directly downwind of him, or maybe they just got on a roll of good luck and managed to wind up in the right place at the right time. Not a single thing about ANY of their stories proves that they wouldn't have seen just as many deer without the stuff as they did with it, given the same circumstances.

That's not bashing. It's just the way it is. It can't be proved one way or the other.

Really though, if that kind of anecdotal evidence is all that's needed for definitive proof, we'd have long ago been forced to believe that flying saucers, Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster are real. :D

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For those of you who have read the T.R Michels account on carbon clothes it should be pointed out that he in fact owns Eliminator Hunting Clothing and is in direct competition with Scent-lok.

I wonder if he is biased in any way?:eek:

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Then take the money you would spend on scent elimination clothing and buy you THREE(3) SETS OF CAMO.

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I'm pretty sure I don't have as much camo as you but I've got plenty. :) I use most of it some time or another during the year, including the scentlok. I'm fully aware of the scent lok not working but my skills drastically improve when I wear it. :D:D

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Kind of like the Rob/Boyer/Enigma groupie club eh!;) Go ahead and delete away!:D

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Oh TJ your sooooo bad:DHad to get that in before, well you know;).

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AEROSLINGER METHINKS YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD!

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Ive kinda read thru this and have come to the conclution that if you have money buy carbon clothing(its a waste of money. MHO).I use scent-lok soap,hair and underarm deoaterant and wash my clothes in in it thats it.
The best bet is dont eat Pizza,beans or drink alcohol the day before you go bow hunting.That little gas will ruin a hunt,and the breath will just be a WARRNING for the deer.I remember when I went bowhunting wearing sneekers,jeans and my everyday jacket(when cold)But I too got sucked into the camo and scent thing back in the late 80's early 90's.....

When I hear carbon two things come to mind.
1.arrows
2.Drunks in the ER getting the carbon treatment because they dont know when to stop drinking......not a pretty sight....

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I have to agree with someone who stated that science has not been proven on any of this stuff.( whether it works or not.) Who is an authority on this stuff? I will personally buy a suit and send it to them for an unbiased study if just one person can give me an authoritive person/group of people to prove or disprove.

LT

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I thought you weren't arguing. Sounds like it to me.[8D]


"Or a maybe Carbon True Believers forum where blind faith automatically overrules any scientific fact. [8D]"

And from a scientific perspective.:DI'm saying you guy's are being short changed not putting your vast knowledge of the subject to good use. I heard they are trying to make some kind of carbon thread that will be used to lift an elevator to the space station.:D

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No thanks. I'm nolabrat either. :DIt does work for me!

I thought this guy wanted to know the manufactures recommendations on how to reactivate the stuff. Or, was that just code for tell me about your personal insecurities, I'm listening. :D

Don't take me too serious here. I'm just having some fun with friends. In reality I have from the beginning advocated leaving the stuff sit on the shelves. That's how I buy it, down at a reasonable price for camo. Then again most camo costs as much or more than carbon clothes now. Leave them all sit.

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aeroslinger, it's rather disturbing to me that you compare belief in carbon clothes to faith in the Almighty. Makes it sound like Scent Lok is the Antchrist.[:-] Besides, whoever thinks science and the Bible are at odds doesn't know their Bible very well. But that's a whole nuther argument, better suited for the bare knuckles forum.

You really have no cause to go putting words in my mouth either. NO, I didn't call anyone STUPID. I said two things: One, that anecdotale evidence, in and of itself, is worthless. Two, that there are many other reasonable explanations for why they might see more deer on a given outing than simply the clothing.

And NO, it is not bashing to point out certain contrary facts and inconsistencies in someone's pet theory, even if those facts totally destroy said theory. Truth is often painful. I am certain that activated carbon will reduce human scent to some degree for a very limited number of outings. I am equally certain that no home dryer can reactivate the carbon.

Someone above mentioned that the info on trmichels.com site might be biased. Granted, Michels stuff might possibly BE biased. However, that's why a good researcher won't stop at just one resource. He consults many, looking for consistent information. After reading actual specifcations and information sheets in several places on the web, most especially the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers spec sheet on activated carbon, my opinion is the questions raised on the Michels site are valid, consistent with industry procedures and not out of line at all.

You can find the same info in a variety of different sites. I chose to link to the Army's info because it's very detailed and, as a retired aerospace machinist, QA inspector and production planner, I am quite at home reading military specifications.

Oh, but wait? Is the Corps of Engineers biased also? Are they bashing Scent Lok because their specifications don't jive with Scent Lok's advertising and instructions? The entire activated carbon industry would have to be biased if you go so far as to say that because all the information from the carbon industry is consistent.

The information is right there, free, just a few clicks of the mouse away. I'm not expecting anyone to believe me. I don't even expect anyone to like what I have to say. But they better not jump my case until they've done their homework. ;)

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I do like you and what you have to say!:DI also know that although you look like a Neanderthal (I was so close to spelling that one right:D)the similarities end there. As for myself I'll stick with my homework plan, something dead at my feet.:D

Isee you hide your name at the top of the page. Youhave taken me by surprise when I see you post and wonder where in the heck did you come from. I got you figured now.:D

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Good plan. Just don't go short changing yourself thinking it's the suit that did it for you. ;)

I do kinda like to strike from the shadows. I AM a bowhunter, ya know. [8D]

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Arthur, where exactly now did ANYONE "compare belief in carbon clothes to faith in the Almighty"? You are the one who sarcastically put blind faith below scientific fact. I merely pointed out 1 example where scientific data means very little to some one. Another fine example of scent clothing haters twisting words, insulting people, etc. Crying shame. Can't you just say "I don't think it works and a waste of money"? No. Too hard. Just gotta throw in those jabs to, what - make yourself feel superior? As I've read many of your post here, it seems so below you. I kind of took you for a high roader. Actually, the same old crowd that bashes it are the ones who refuse to open their eyes. Just about EVERY scent user that has posted here has acknowledged scent clothing isn't a miracle cloth and wont fool a deers nose, but will AID in cutting down scent. You and others don't seem to want to acknowledge that but keep refering to techinal data that neither is relevant to the specific clothing nor its use and certainly DOES NOT provide data that says the clothing is not working to some degree.

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As an added precaution I also use the charcoal for aquariums in the storage boxes I keep my hunting clothes in. The prepackaged carbon packets are great for putting inside you boots between hunts. No problem with re-activation here just get some more (cheap) charcoal.

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You can go ahead and google anything you desire on activated carbon clothing. You will come up with about 1,000 different patents. You will see that the U.S. Army uses a different kind of carbon that can be reactivated. You will see carbon that needs to be reactivated at 300 degrees F. You will see carbon that needs 1100 degrees F.

Bottom line, their is not 1 piece of info. that disproves what scent-lok does other than TR Michels and his unbiased outlook.

And just like TR Michels I can take things completely out of context too. Look for yourself and visit the U.S. Army Corp. of engineers website. Their 45 day suits are a different type of patent that absorbs gases and protects the human.. their newer suits can be reactivated using a very lenghty process.

I'm done.

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Hi Guys,
I've tried to stay out of this post because of the bashing I took the last time, I can't.
Let me say, that there is a report that I will have soon from SL that is in response to 2 noted outdoor writers that discounted carbon clothing. The rumor is that these 2 gentlemen were involved in the test, but I have no confirmation on that. As soon as I have it I will post it.
Some of you have asked for scientific proof and that the testing be done independently. Sl hired a lab to test it's effectiveness after reactivation.or the releasing of odor molecules. The report was pooh-hooh'ed because SL comissioned the report. I ask you ,who pays foe the testing ??? Not consumer reports,not You and not me. The manufacturer's do. Keep in mind that Greeg Sesselman is a chemical engineer who was working on filtration systems when he got the idea for SL. He was a bowhunter long before that.
Scientifically speaking, the reactivation seems to be the question because of the heat necessary to release the particles of odor from the carbon.
Some say it's 800degrees ,some say lower. I did some surfing one evening and found a site that the military was testing carbon clothing for one reason or another and their testing claims only 100 degrees. I'm sure their material was not the same , but the point I'm trying to make is that it seems to depend on manufacture and density.

None the less, carbon clothing IMO works,can I prove it scientifically, No.
Can I prove it in the woods ,Yes.
We've killed deer w/o it for years, but if I can decrease the amount of odor in tha air when I'm on stand I'm going to.
I still shower w/ scent control products,spray my equipment,and play the wind the best I can. But,if the wind changes, that it often doesin the hills of PA.,I don't worry about it.

We don't rely on science to test the estrous scent we use and the camo we use. Did Predator camo or Inigma camo( I'm not picking on anyone,just a for instance.)have a scientific test done?? No,I don't think so. But you use it and you say it works.

Just thought I'd add my 2 cents.

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I guess I'll stick to keeping clean and using my newly bought X-scent baselayers and try some gumoflauge for breath. Why? Because Michaels says carbon suits don't work, silver ion clothing does work, and Don Higgins supports Gumoflauge. If the experts say one doesn't work and the other does......then they can't be wrong right?;)

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Actually chewing on parsley works as well as gumophlage,sorry didn't mean to hijack the thread!

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Cougar,
This is my point.TR Michaels has no scientific data other than, XScents tests tosay it works. He is not an expert on anything. Just an outdoor writer.

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Ummm I think Duke does use carbon lined clothing.

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there is no practicle way to reactivate it



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I'm guessing you meant TR Michels archer58, not Duke M..?

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My humble appologies Duke, I editted it.