RE: Is a late recovery really a recovery?
 

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I totally disagree on this one. I didn't find my 9'er till the
next mornin, and the yotes had already got to him. ya'll tellin
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Nope! Thats why I worded it like this..I'm sure each have their own definition of recovery , but I'll give you my definition.

I'm glad you found your buck! I would have made a coyote hunt my mission in life!
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RE: Is a late recovery really a recovery?
 

It is a recovery no matter when you find it. It may not be an edible deer but if you find it you in essense recovered it. Touching on what SW Iowa Hunter said, let me pose this question. You make a bad shot or whatever the case is and you can't find the deer. Several days later you find the deer with the help of the crows or buzzards. Most of you said that wasn't a recovery because the deer is inedible. I assume that would mean you are under no obligation what-so-ever to tag it, since it wasn't a recovery in you eyes?

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RE: Is a late recovery really a recovery?
 

Is it a recovery? Yes, provided you continued to look for the animal. It could be a week later, but if you still had the animal in mind and went looking for it, then you filled your obligation as a hunter too recover your game. Now, this year is the first time this exact thing happend to me. Long story short my cable slide on my arrow rest,it broke on the shot. It's my fualt for not checking my equipment better, even though I did take some practice shot prior to hunting that evening, I still did not &quot;look over&quot; the bow like I know I should. My shot still hit within the vitals, but I only got about half my arrow in. I saw him run off. I looked until 10 that night, and from daylight until noon the next day. I never found any tracks, blood, hair or anything! I looked everywhere I thought he might be. One week later( the next weekend off) I went back looking again, I basicly found him from the rancid smell<img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>. I feel I recoverd the animal, but I am not proud of the situation, and I don't feel &quot;complete&quot; at all. I enjoy venison, and since all I got was a set of antlers, I am not really proud of the circumstances, but these things can happen. I hope it never does again, but it may.
Now on the other hand if you give up looking for the animal, and just by luck you or someone else finds the deer several days latter, I don't consider it a recovery at all. You quit looking, so you basicly just found a dead deer in my opinion. We all know in our hearts whether or not we really gave up, or honestly continued looking, you may be able to fool others, but you can't fool yourself.

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It is a recovery no matter when you find it. It may not be an edible deer but if you find it you in essense recovered it. Touching on what SW Iowa Hunter said, let me pose this question. You make a bad shot or whatever the case is and you can't find the deer. Several days later you find the deer with the help of the crows or buzzards. Most of you said that wasn't a recovery because the deer is inedible. I assume that would mean you are under no obligation what-so-ever to tag it, since it wasn't a recovery in you eyes?

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Absolutely! We (WI) are under no legal obligation to tag an animal that is found too late for consumption.

RE: Is a late recovery really a recovery?
 

TxCowboy, you bring up a very interesting point.
This whole subject is a tough one for me. Too many different scenarios!
Take bogobbles situation...make a hit you are not 100% sure of at last light, the sensible thing to do is wait until the next morning to trail it. In his case the coyotes already found it! He did nothing wrong, but wound up with little or no table fair.
To me...that would still be a recovery.

Finding a poorly hit deer 2 or 3 days after the hit, because the crows directed you to the kill site, this is different to me.
IMHO, you did not recover this one.

Now, TxCowboy brings up a valid point....if you find one after the meat is ruined, do you feel NO obligation to tag it?
You could get a heck of a battle over that question!

I have, on other subjects overtly accused people of harboring thoughts they would not come right out and say! So I think it is only fair for me to spit out what I am thinking now.

The Zaft buck was not a legitimate recovery! It should NOT be accepted by P&Y. Zaft admitted he forced a marginal shot. And, he did not find the buck, someone else did!

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I will go out on a limb about this....If you hit a doe, and did not recover until the meat was ruined, I would not expect you to use your tag. But, lets say you hit a big buck(here comes the trophy hunter part of me)and did not find it until the meat was ruined....If you are gonna take the rack...TAG IT!

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The Zaft buck was not a legitimate recovery! It should NOT be accepted by P&Y. Zaft admitted he forced a marginal shot. And, he did not find the buck, someone else did!

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I will go out on a limb about this....If you hit a doe, and did not recover until the meat was ruined, I would not expect you to use your tag. But, lets say you hit a big buck(here comes the trophy hunter part of me)and did not find it until the meat was ruined....If you are gonna take the rack...TAG IT!

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The Zaft buck<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle> Thats twice in the same week we agree on something!<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

As for your buck scenario? I should clarify , that our laws dont force hunters to tag a deer thats not consumable , but you cannot cut off the rack or even transport an animal without tagging it. I have heard of instances where hunters have shot trophy bucks and found them too late for consumption. In both cases I heard of , a call was made to the DNR to ask permission to retrieve the antlers. The warden was taken to the dead carcass and had the hunters tag the bucks , but he issued both of them new tags because the meat wasn't consumable.

RE: Is a late recovery really a recovery?
 

I have to disagree with those that say if you find it (no matter how long) it's a &quot;recovery&quot;.
If you find it next spring, is it a recovery? Yes, taken to the illogical extreme...but where do you draw the line.
If you can't eat it, it was a failed recovery. No matter how hard you tried...no matter how long you looked...it's a failed recovery.
That DOES NOT make you a bad person/hunter...it just means you didn't get a succesfull recovery...that's all, nothing else.
ONLY YOU can decide if it was due to lack of ethics, or lack of luck (i.e. coyotes, crows, wolves etc).
Bowhunting isn't 100% succesfull no matter how hard you try, sometimes your NOT going to be succesfull...harvesting, recovering or whatever.
Obviously, you would (do?) feel bad about not finding it in time, and want to feel better by saying &quot;At least I recovered it&quot;...Feel good knowing to TRIED YOUR BEST....not that you recovered some scraps with antlers.
That MAY seem harsh, but we must live with our actions. We must see our actions as they TRUELY are.

&quot;To see one's self truely, one need only look truely&quot; KUNG FU

RE: Is a late recovery really a recovery?
 

Quote &quot;The Zaft buck was not a legitimate recovery! It should NOT be accepted by P&Y. Zaft admitted he forced a marginal shot. And, he did not find the buck, someone else did!&quot;


Bowfanatic and Big Country are you serious about the Zaft buck?
You would not have claimed it and put it in the P and Y to gain all that money?

Me if I knew that was my buck (and he knew too much about it not to be his) then I am claiming it and collecting all that appearance money at least until one bigger is shot!!!

I know all about the ethics of it... but this comes down to some real change!!!

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RE: Is a late recovery really a recovery?
 

I had posted this in another topic and thought it would be of interest here.

I am not sure that Wayne Zaft knew what he had when he shot it other than that it was a big animal. He did the ethical and logical thing and pursued the animal to the best of his ability and eventually did recover the deer, albeit with the help of the landowner. Would I have entered the deer in the P&Y books? Damn right I would have, and every other hunter would have also, if they had shot it. Wayne was within the regulations set out by P&Y and he deserves to be on top. As for making fistfuls of money from this animal, I am not sure that this is the case with Wayne. Speaking to the Alberta hunter that shot the potential WR NT Elk this fall, I have learned that many American Corperations do not want to support a Canadian hunter. The money is just not there for a Canadian hunter like it would be for an American hunter. Just my $0.02.

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