Andy Rooney calls bow hunting "barbaric"
12-05-2002, 11:23 AM
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RE: Andy Rooney calls bow hunting "barbaric"
This might sound silly but who is Andy Rooney anyway I have never heard of him.
But from the looks of things he is a whacko
Aussie by birth Texan by choice
But from the looks of things he is a whacko
Aussie by birth Texan by choice
12-05-2002, 03:30 PM
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RE: Andy Rooney calls bow hunting "barbaric"
I'm a long-time lurker who's learned a TON about deer hunting from you all. Thanks very much. 
This thread and all the inspirational thoughts about Jesus and Christianity in the "parents just dont understand" thread got me to thinking...
On the rare occasion I'm watching 60 Minutes, I too turn it off when Andy Rooney comes on. What I don't understand is all this liberal bashing. True liberalism has nothing to do with gun control, eliminating public prayer, etc. All a genuine liberal wants is for the establishment to have a change of heart about people it hates and treats as subhuman.
Jesus was a liberal. In His time it was about prostitutes, tax collectors, and other "undesirables" looked down on by Temple authorities. His message was that these people were human beings who were just as deserving of love as the "righteous." (MORE deserving in fact if the righteous were hypocrites!) In our time homosexuals, foreigners, and racial and religious minorities are the "undesirables."
Let's leave it to God to judge others. After all we're told "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." I know Andy Rooney is terribly misguided on this issue, but would Jesus put him down by calling him a "liberal" or a "*****" or a "******"? <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle> In fact, would Jesus put him down at all? Wouldn't He instead gently correct Rooney without all the insults?
Merry Christmas, everyone. Peace on earth, goodwill to men.
This thread and all the inspirational thoughts about Jesus and Christianity in the "parents just dont understand" thread got me to thinking...
On the rare occasion I'm watching 60 Minutes, I too turn it off when Andy Rooney comes on. What I don't understand is all this liberal bashing. True liberalism has nothing to do with gun control, eliminating public prayer, etc. All a genuine liberal wants is for the establishment to have a change of heart about people it hates and treats as subhuman.
Jesus was a liberal. In His time it was about prostitutes, tax collectors, and other "undesirables" looked down on by Temple authorities. His message was that these people were human beings who were just as deserving of love as the "righteous." (MORE deserving in fact if the righteous were hypocrites!) In our time homosexuals, foreigners, and racial and religious minorities are the "undesirables."
Let's leave it to God to judge others. After all we're told "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." I know Andy Rooney is terribly misguided on this issue, but would Jesus put him down by calling him a "liberal" or a "*****" or a "******"? <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle> In fact, would Jesus put him down at all? Wouldn't He instead gently correct Rooney without all the insults?
Merry Christmas, everyone. Peace on earth, goodwill to men.
12-05-2002, 03:56 PM
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RE: Andy Rooney calls bow hunting "barbaric"
Mwether, welcome to the board. I enjoyed reading your thoughts. I hope you post more often.
I agree that we should show respect even when we disagree with something someone has said.
There are thousands of great people on this site. I am glad we have one more.
I agree that we should show respect even when we disagree with something someone has said.
There are thousands of great people on this site. I am glad we have one more.
12-06-2002, 07:07 AM
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RE: Andy Rooney calls bow hunting "barbaric"
vc1111: Thank you, kind sir. It's a pleasure to be here!
Kaos: I'm unclear what your "disgusting ugly truth" is. I think it's true that you--and I for that matter--disagree with Andy Rooney on bowhunting. I don't think it's true that he is a homosexual or that there's any benefit to be gained by insulting those with whom we disagree.
All the best to you both.
Kaos: I'm unclear what your "disgusting ugly truth" is. I think it's true that you--and I for that matter--disagree with Andy Rooney on bowhunting. I don't think it's true that he is a homosexual or that there's any benefit to be gained by insulting those with whom we disagree.
All the best to you both.
12-06-2002, 08:50 AM
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RE: Andy Rooney calls bow hunting "barbaric"
Mwether This board is called bowhunting and " most but not all " liberals are anti hunting . In my mind this has to do with an adjenda thats mission is to make us rely on the goverment for our food and other necesites of life so that they can moniter our every move and either get a cut "taxs" or stop us from doing what we want and take away or freedoms . Remember liberals suport gun control and the conservitives of our time are far from the pharisies of our lords time , in fact we get labeled the "christian rigtht wing " all the time . You have to admitt the pepole I mentioned in my first reply are losers and cry babies .
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12-06-2002, 03:12 PM
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RE: Andy Rooney calls bow hunting "barbaric"
ijimmy, thanks for your response. It contains a lot of interesting points. I'll try to respond to them one by one. Generally though my message is that labels are imprecise. Whether you call somebody a "liberal" or a "conservative," you're probably lumping them into a category that doesn't fit them perfectly. I find that I am liberal on some issues, and conservative on others. You might be too?
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Mwether This board is called bowhunting and " most but not all " liberals are anti hunting .
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I'm not convinced of this. In surveys I'm fairly sure that about 10-15% of Americans are pro-hunting, 10-15% are anti, and 70-80% are undecided. I think it might be a truer statement to say that of the people who oppose hunting, most also call themselves "liberal." Saying "'liberals' oppose hunting" is a shakier statement, I think. Seems to me a lot of people who would call themselves "liberals" on other issues are in that 70-80% on hunting, i.e., sitting on the fence.
It's our job to calmly and rationally explain the benefits of hunting to those folks. Surprisingly, the New York Times--one of the most "liberal" papers in the country--ran an editorial recently in support of culling does to reduce deer populations in the greater New York area. That sort of thing REALLY helps our cause. Maybe we and the NYT editorial staff can bring the undecideds around?!
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In my mind this has to do with an adjenda thats mission is to make us rely on the goverment for our food and other necesites of life so that they can moniter our every move and either get a cut "taxs" or stop us from doing what we want and take away or freedoms .
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I think you and I may have to differ here. I think foodstamps and welfare, etc.--what I imagine you are referring to--are for society's weakest and most at risk. I realize that we hear stories of welfare cheats and others who abuse the system, but I don't think that's a reason to get rid of something that helps many honest folks get back on their feet.
I don't think that there's an example of charity in history that some didn't try to take advantage of. One of the costs of handouts is that a few people will inevitably get greedy and try to take more than their fair share. It doesn't mean that the large majority don't play by the rules and thank God for the help!
I also don't think that there's a plan to get you and I--and others who can work and support their families--hooked on government assistance. I just don't see any evidence of that.
I guess that the real question here is whether one believes that government or private citizens should take care of society's "downtrodden." I'm guessing you think the latter; I just happen to think both are responsible.
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Remember liberals suport gun control and the conservitives of our time are far from the pharisies of our lords time , in fact we get labeled the "christian rigtht wing " all the time .
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It's true that many "liberals" support gun control. It's also true that since 9/11 many "conservatives" support what the courts will probably decide are illegal invasions of privacy. Neither are reasons to abandon either ideology if it happens to be yours. We're never going to agree with EVERYTHING our leaders do, regardless of who our leaders are.
In general, strict conservatives--like the Pharisees, who WERE conservatives in the truest sense of the word--want to keep things the way they are. They seek to "conserve," to maintain the status quo, to resist change. Jesus was preaching that making burnt offerings at the Temple wasn't true Judaism, that what was true Judaism was loving your fellow man whether he was a righteous Jew or not. This represented BIG change and therefore it was blasphemy to the Pharisees who believed in Temple sacrifice.
It seems to me that resisting change is impossible. Take religion alone: Christianity branched off from Judaism, Protestantism branched off from Catholicism, Buddhism and Islam split into sects. If there's one thing that always stays the same in the human condition, it's change! That's the main problem for me personally with the conservative position. I think you and I can disagree on this and still love God, our families, the outdoors, and bowhunting. We just won't be able to talk politics much! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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You have to admitt the pepole I mentioned in my first reply are losers and cry babies .
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I think this all depends on how we measure winning and losing. Financially those folks are beating the pants off me!
I certainly WILL admit that I don't like their TV shows or the moral choices they've made about how to make a living.
Phew, thanks for reading this far! I figure I should stop using up bandwidth on things that are only tangentially related to hunting deer with bow and arrow!
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Respectfully yours.
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Mwether This board is called bowhunting and " most but not all " liberals are anti hunting .
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I'm not convinced of this. In surveys I'm fairly sure that about 10-15% of Americans are pro-hunting, 10-15% are anti, and 70-80% are undecided. I think it might be a truer statement to say that of the people who oppose hunting, most also call themselves "liberal." Saying "'liberals' oppose hunting" is a shakier statement, I think. Seems to me a lot of people who would call themselves "liberals" on other issues are in that 70-80% on hunting, i.e., sitting on the fence.
It's our job to calmly and rationally explain the benefits of hunting to those folks. Surprisingly, the New York Times--one of the most "liberal" papers in the country--ran an editorial recently in support of culling does to reduce deer populations in the greater New York area. That sort of thing REALLY helps our cause. Maybe we and the NYT editorial staff can bring the undecideds around?!
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In my mind this has to do with an adjenda thats mission is to make us rely on the goverment for our food and other necesites of life so that they can moniter our every move and either get a cut "taxs" or stop us from doing what we want and take away or freedoms .
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I think you and I may have to differ here. I think foodstamps and welfare, etc.--what I imagine you are referring to--are for society's weakest and most at risk. I realize that we hear stories of welfare cheats and others who abuse the system, but I don't think that's a reason to get rid of something that helps many honest folks get back on their feet.
I don't think that there's an example of charity in history that some didn't try to take advantage of. One of the costs of handouts is that a few people will inevitably get greedy and try to take more than their fair share. It doesn't mean that the large majority don't play by the rules and thank God for the help!
I also don't think that there's a plan to get you and I--and others who can work and support their families--hooked on government assistance. I just don't see any evidence of that.
I guess that the real question here is whether one believes that government or private citizens should take care of society's "downtrodden." I'm guessing you think the latter; I just happen to think both are responsible.
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Remember liberals suport gun control and the conservitives of our time are far from the pharisies of our lords time , in fact we get labeled the "christian rigtht wing " all the time .
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It's true that many "liberals" support gun control. It's also true that since 9/11 many "conservatives" support what the courts will probably decide are illegal invasions of privacy. Neither are reasons to abandon either ideology if it happens to be yours. We're never going to agree with EVERYTHING our leaders do, regardless of who our leaders are.
In general, strict conservatives--like the Pharisees, who WERE conservatives in the truest sense of the word--want to keep things the way they are. They seek to "conserve," to maintain the status quo, to resist change. Jesus was preaching that making burnt offerings at the Temple wasn't true Judaism, that what was true Judaism was loving your fellow man whether he was a righteous Jew or not. This represented BIG change and therefore it was blasphemy to the Pharisees who believed in Temple sacrifice.
It seems to me that resisting change is impossible. Take religion alone: Christianity branched off from Judaism, Protestantism branched off from Catholicism, Buddhism and Islam split into sects. If there's one thing that always stays the same in the human condition, it's change! That's the main problem for me personally with the conservative position. I think you and I can disagree on this and still love God, our families, the outdoors, and bowhunting. We just won't be able to talk politics much! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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You have to admitt the pepole I mentioned in my first reply are losers and cry babies .
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I think this all depends on how we measure winning and losing. Financially those folks are beating the pants off me!
I certainly WILL admit that I don't like their TV shows or the moral choices they've made about how to make a living.
Phew, thanks for reading this far! I figure I should stop using up bandwidth on things that are only tangentially related to hunting deer with bow and arrow!
<img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>
Respectfully yours.
12-06-2002, 03:48 PM
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RE: Andy Rooney calls bow hunting "barbaric"
I don't think Mr. Rooney is stupid just ignorant you're talking about a guy who probably never stepped foot in the woods. I think we should all reply to his comment let him know that what he said was wrong but we have to respectfully even when he may not respect us we don't want to sound like a bunch of yahoo's out for blood we just want our point to get across to him and his superiors. Hunting gets a bad enough rap without making enemy's that have that much air time. I think hunting should have a voice of it's own and well that's us we have our own future in our own hands!
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12-06-2002, 04:43 PM
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RE: Andy Rooney calls bow hunting "barbaric"
Amen ijimmy.
Mwether, you seem like a levelheaded, clear minded liberal. I just wish more liberals were like you. While many of us on this site might not always agree with you, I think most of us will respect your opinion. I know I do. Thanks, and keep replying, because I really enjoy reading your responses. hc4
Mwether, you seem like a levelheaded, clear minded liberal. I just wish more liberals were like you. While many of us on this site might not always agree with you, I think most of us will respect your opinion. I know I do. Thanks, and keep replying, because I really enjoy reading your responses. hc4
