Scab Hunters
 

Do you actually consider them hunters?

Saturday Nov. 30, I had been bow hunting various stands in a 25-30 acre stand of old growth pines on public land the previous two days. Seen does each day. Saturday morning at 8:30, snowing like crazy, a small doe walks under my stand, I watch her for 3-4 minutes knowing the whole time this is a .5 year old and I was not going to take her. She walks off to the east and drops down into a ravine of a feeder creek.

About ten seconds later I see her coming out of the ravine only now she's walking with a limp, keeping her right hind leg up off the ground. As she gets closer I see her tarsal gland was blood red. At this point my heart drops to the pit of my stomach. The only one that hunts on the opposite side of the ravine is a very good friend who is handicapped and hunts with a crossbow. So I'm thinking to myself, "Did Frank shoot at her?".

I watched where she disappeared and sat looking towards where she popped-up after being hit. About five minutes or so, I see an orange hat moving and seen it wasn't Frank. It was someone who had overheard me telling my hunting partner that I had spooked up two does walking out of the woods the past evening.

I am aware of the public land domains and have had a number of people walk into the woods I hunt not knowing anyone else was there. Usually these people can't sit still more than half an hour and they're gone, most of the time sending deer back into the area when they leave. I got no problem with their right to be there. This has happened as many if not more times on the private lands I hunt. Not a issue here.

The goober walks up the bank some 40 yards to the north of where the doe came out and looks up at one of my other stands. I get his attention by waving my orange hat, it's the last weekend of gun season. He sees me and I motion for him to come my way. He comes through the woods with his hands and his bow above his head trying desperately to look like ROCKY! Yelling "I got one, I got one".

I tell him where I noticed the hit was. He proceeds to tell me about the shot. Where he was standing under Franks' loc-on to where the doe entered the ravine was 55-60 yards. The slob goes on to say that he "arched" an arrow at her and missed, then tried another.

I put him on her tracks, very sparce blood, one or two drops every ten to fifteen feet. Arrow went through between the hamstring tendion and the rear of the femur just above the tarsal gland. She crossed the river and this dufus and his son go around to the north side to track her, they push her for another two miles until giving up.

Sad part about this is this idiot used to be my next door neighbor and turned me on to this public area. It didn't take long to find out where his hunting ethics and morals were. In the garbage can!

I disassociated myself from him and found areas away from this guy. I hunt better than that and don't want to be confused with his type.

Sorry this ran long, but thanks for letting me vent. People like that give hunters a bum wrap because I am a hunter, they are scab slobs walking around with weapons in their hands. Does anyone agree or not??


















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GForce the guy is definantly a scab, it has to be worse knowing him, there is a guy who lives up my street that is a scab also, he was bragging last year about trying to wound a big 10 point! He said he didn't have a clean shot on it, but figured if he wounded it between him and the rest of the club they could finish it off!!! I couldn't beleive it, I said "your kidding, right?" he said "no, they do it all the time and recover most of them"! Needless to say I rarely if ever talk to this jerk! As you say, people like this give good hunters a bad name.

The Tazman aka Martin Price
Founder and President of
Virginia Disabled Outdoorsmen Club

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it is very unfortunate that we have idoits like that running around. that is one reason i kinda shy away from gun season (on public land) and only hunt it on privet property with no one else leagly present. wild arrows are dangerous wild slugs are scary. idots plane and simple. i have never herd of shooting to wound. it is discusting

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jimmy until this dirt bag said it I hadn't either! I was so POed I wanted to spit!

The Tazman aka Martin Price
Founder and President of
Virginia Disabled Outdoorsmen Club

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Thanks guys. I was taught to have the utmost respect for all living things.

This kinda mentallity makes me wanna hurl.





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My feeling parallel yours. You can't even educate the stupid. The part that upsets me about these types is that they don't even have the sense to keep their mouths shut. They'll brag about such antics. And then we all get to share in the bad attitudes some get towards hunters and hunting.

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Yeah, sad to say I know a few of these hunters that we call slob hunters.One group of them hunt with crossbows.One of them shoots deer and tracks them until he loses the blood and says oh well I'll shoot another the next day.Uses a rangefinder and still misses 5 or so a year.Used to miss twice that with compound.Two of them like to pull everyones markers (brighteyes) out of trees.I hunt the same Public Land.I screw a step in the tree and put my Brighteyes up high now.Pisses me off a great deal when I work hard to mark a stand sie out to have one of them do this.I've wounded deer before guys ,but I come back the next day and look more fo the deer doing sweeps if I lose the blood.I feel we owe it to the animal we hunt.While I'm venting here is another one, my neighbor shoots a nice little buck and hangs it to skin that night and it started raining real hard so he wrapped it up to do the next day.Well here it is the next day and he's not out their and I talked to him later and told him you know the meat is no good now with the temps.He said I was going to ask you about that.Scared of a little rain and he had this and that to do no time for the deer he took the time to shoot though.I told him I would have did it in the rain.He had time to cut the horns off though.
Sorry guys it took me all this space to vent,but it gets to me.

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Excuse my ignorance, but what is the exact definition of a "scab hunter"? I've never heard that term before.

One of my best friends is a pro deer tracker. He tracked for some guy on the guy's club and found at least 5 dead rotting does that the "hunters" had left in the woods after shooting them because "they were just does". Well, after that he quit tracking the guy's buck that the guy had wounded and left him. I know of some people that just don't know how a muzzleloader works, they use the little sabot pistol bullets that come with the guns when you buy them, I think they are 140 grain bullets or something. If you are going to use something, know how to use it.

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Thanks guys. I was taught to have the utmost respect for all living things.

This kinda mentallity makes me wanna hurl.





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I was taught the same as you. However , this guy may not have been taught the same as most of us. Instead of avoiding him and tossing him in the &quot;slob hunter&quot; category , maybe you could educate him in hunting tactics along with hunting ethics. Over the years I've seen hunters do alot of stupid and unethical things to try and harvest their first deer. If this guy falls in this category , it may not be too late to educate him. You would be surprised at how many grown men that we would assume had been deer hunting for years , are actually beginners who probably didn't have hunting tactics and ethics passed on to them like we did. Am I saying there is no such thing as a slob hunter? NO WAY! But there are alot of uneducated hunters who get tossed in the slob category without anyone offering to teach them right. JMO


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BOWFANATIC - Yea, I spent a couple of years trying to get through but to no avail. Anything I offered was often reponded to as &quot;You think?&quot;, or &quot;I don't know about that.&quot;

Also this guy has taken a few deer with shotgun and muzzleloader and has been bowhunting for the past ten seasons. Luckily for the yearling doe he bow harvested last year, his first bow kill, she actually died; the shot was while she was walking away, entered just in front of the left hip and poked out the center of her brisket. Then hoopin' and hollerin' in the parking lot about how it was a &quot;perfect broadside shot&quot;. Many just turned away laughing.

I used the hole-in-the-card method to show him and his son, both are left-handed, that they are also left-eye dominate. The response was &quot;that's not it.&quot; They both still shoot right-handed.

I have been asked and have offered to help beginning bowhunters over the past 30 years and to date all that I have assisted were successful during their first season and are still hunting.

As far as lumping him in this &quot;elite&quot; group of ground stompers, he did that himself, head first as far as I'm concerned.





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