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Why are Lumenoks illegal in some states?
I know they are (by interpretation).....but there's a video out there somewhere that shows the nock from the hunter's view and then from the deer's (or any game) view.
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RE: Why are Lumenoks illegal in some states?
I don't know? Why can't we use dogs to track in IL?
Why Can't we use Breakup/blaze orange? Why did it take me 190days to get my foid card here in IL?? Foid is Firearms Owners Identification Card. Well I know myQuestions all have more controversial issues, but I think the different laws for different states is wrong! My government is telling me Blaze orange breakup is illegal because its to dangerous...well My point is the DNR departments should be on the same page. I understand laws according to geography...But thats pretty much it! So their saying I really don't understand the Lumenok laws!?! I wish we could all be on the same page! |
RE: Why are Lumenoks illegal in some states?
IA regs just state that sites that project a light beam, including laser sights are not allowed. Some states' wording have any lighted hunting aid proclaimed illegal. for the taking of game.It is in the wording and these laws are written to prevent poaching. They were also written before lighted arrow nocks were invented. Highly doubtful that a hunter would be ticketed for using them, but you never know.I have never heard of DNR guys checking peoples' nocks. This is something for you to address with your local state bowhunters association.
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RE: Why are Lumenoks illegal in some states?
I think you misunderstood, Don. They're not illegal, here. I use them. They're illegal in PA (and other states) and I've never heard a VIABLE reason "why".
Have you ever seen what they look like...from the animal's perspective? They look like that. NOTHING.....lol:D |
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ORIGINAL: ILBOW I don't know? Why can't we use dogs to track in IL? Why Can't we use Breakup/blaze orange? Why did it take me 190days to get my foid card here in IL?? Foid is Firearms Owners Identification Card. Well I know myQuestions all have more controversial issues, but I think the different laws for different states is wrong! My government is telling me Blaze orange breakup is illegal because its to dangerous...well My point is the DNR departments should be on the same page. I understand laws according to geography...But thats pretty much it! So their saying I really don't understand the Lumenok laws!?! I wish we could all be on the same page! |
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This isn't the thread to discuss this on......but do you REALLY want to be an advocate of abolishing "State's rights"? Really??????
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RE: Why are Lumenoks illegal in some states?
I know it doesn't make sense that they are illegal, but it all has to do with how some states have stated their laws. Since the laws where written before Lumenocks came out, they fall into their states categories of lasers or laser hunting aids. I believe if Lumenocks were known of before the laws were written, they would have worded them different to exclude Lumenocks.
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RE: Why are Lumenoks illegal in some states?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT I think you misunderstood, Don. They're not illegal, here. I use them. They're illegal in PA (and other states) and I've never heard a VIABLE reason "why". Have you ever seen what they look like...from the animal's perspective? Jeff where did you hear that about PA? I am 99% sure they are legel to use here i PA. But hey i've been wrong before. They look like that. NOTHING.....lol:D |
RE: Why are Lumenoks illegal in some states?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT I think you misunderstood, Don. They're not illegal, here. I use them. They're illegal in PA (and other states) and I've never heard a VIABLE reason "why". Have you ever seen what they look like...from the animal's perspective? They look like that. NOTHING.....lol:D The laws simply haven't been updated or modified. This is your answer. |
RE: Why are Lumenoks illegal in some states?
My state says that I am can carry concealed, should mean I can carry nationwide as far as I am concerned. No..the point is USDA..FDA....OSHA saftey regulations are nationwide, Why do local conservation offices and our DNR offices have more power than state police when making restrictions on the public?? Just food for thought. |
RE: Why are Lumenoks illegal in some states?
Jeff,
I'll tell you why they probably aren't legal. Because the people writing the laws aren't up to date with all the great new products that have come out on the market. Is there a way it can be brought to there attention? Also it might be a good idea to call the game ranger for that area and get his point of view. Most of these guys are hunters and wouldn't write a guy up for using them. MC |
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Thanks. MC....I'm just wondering what advantage they think we gain by using them.
PA....I thought Rob told me they were illegal in PA.....I could be wrong. |
RE: Why are Lumenoks illegal in some states?
ORIGINAL: ILBOW My state says that I am can carry concealed, should mean I can carry nationwide as far as I am concerned. No..the point is USDA..FDA....OSHA saftey regulations are nationwide, Why do local conservation offices and our DNR offices have more power than state police when making restrictions on the public?? Just food for thought. Sorry to hijack the thread Jeff, but your question has been answered.[8D] |
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Sorry to hijack the thread Jeff, but your question has been answered.[8D] |
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You are not convinced with all of the correct answers so far? Sorry, what more do you want. How do you debate a correct answer. It isn't an opinion thread.:eek:
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ORIGINAL: ILBOW I don't know? Why can't we use dogs to track in IL? |
RE: Why are Lumenoks illegal in some states?
I'm just wondering what advantage they think we gain by using them. |
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[blockquote]quote: ORIGINAL: ILBOW [blockquote]quote: My state says that I am can carry concealed, should mean I can carry nationwide as far as I am concerned. [/blockquote] Agreed but are you more responsible than Me? No..the point is USDA..FDA....OSHA saftey regulations are nationwide, Why do local conservation offices and our DNR offices have more power than state police when making restrictions on the public?? Just food for thought. [/blockquote] Nothing to do with being more responsible. It is meeting the criteria, completing the background check, and trainingthat is required for my concealed permit. No different in my eyes than meeting the requirements for a driving license and being allowed to leave my state and drive in another. Cars kill more people than guns do. I feel thats wrong of our laws. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT I'm just wondering what advantage they think we gain by using them. |
RE: Why are Lumenoks illegal in some states?
They are legal in PA.
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Jeff,
The advantages for this product are all positive for hunting. The great people that write our laws are clueless...LOL These might be the people that would let a law get passed to end our hunting...LOL MC |
RE: Why are Lumenoks illegal in some states?
Hate to be the one to tell you this...but you can use dogs to track wounded deer in Illinois. I believe it is on page 11 of the regs book. I should have worded my statement better.... I knew i was gonna get slack, Sorry. |
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Sorry.....I was busy working on a contract/creating a schedule/ balancing my Co. financials and had my head up my butt, Don. You're right.
Thanks for clearing that up for me. Can I just PM you when I have questions? |
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Sorry.....I was busy working on a contract/creating a schedule/ balancing my Co. financials and had my head up my butt, Don. You're right. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Can I just PM you when I have questions?   I' don't think any of us are real busy at the moment!!! |
RE: Why are Lumenoks illegal in some states?
They are old laws that at the time they were written served a purpose. They are outdated now and need to be brought up to speed. I do not believe there is any law that states that the use of the Lumenoks are illegal, but the wording leaves it open to interpetation that can lead to a fine. Just another way for the man to stick it to you
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RE: Why are Lumenoks illegal in some states?
I don't see where is says anything about having only 1 dog or the 1000 yards thing. I could be misreading something I guess.
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Sorry.....I was busy working on a contract/creating a schedule/ balancing my Co. financials and had my head up my butt, Don. You're right. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Can I just PM you when I have questions? |
RE: Why are Lumenoks illegal in some states?
they are not illegal in PA. i verified that with a WCO. he said they do not aid in killing the animal or tracking the animal
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RE: Why are Lumenoks illegal in some states?
I'm kinda surprised he agreed they do not aid in tracking the animal. If the arrow is in the animal, the nock sticking out, you can sure as hell see that alot better that just a regular nock. I use Lumenocks and love them BTW. I shot a coon with one and the only reason I found it was because of the nock sticking out of a stump.
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RE: Why are Lumenoks illegal in some states?
I don't see where is says anything about having only 1 dog or the 1000 yards thing. I could be misreading something I guess. IT IS UNLAWFUL TO use a dog, horse,automobile,aircraft,boat or other vehicle to take deer with a firearm or bow and arrow. However, Dogs(I was told this meant dogs in generall)may be used to track wounded deer, so long as the following conditions are met. Any person using a Dog(one dog per person)for tracking wounded deer must maintain physical control of the dog at all times by means of a max. 50 foot lead attached to the dogs collar or harness. Tracking wounded deer is permissable at night.....yadda yadda yadddahh......Other restrictions APPLY: (This is where it is up to the specific officer To present you with the 1000 yards etc...) there is also a verbal clause that allows any officer to restrict the use of dogs at any given time.......Plainly they can just tell you NO for the whole season. |
RE: Why are Lumenoks illegal in some states?
Speed limit in some states is 55 some others 75, who really cares? If it is legal do it if it is not dont. Simple as that.
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ORIGINAL: TeeJay Speed limit in some states is 55 some others 75, who really cares? If it is legal do it if it is not dont. Simple as that. |
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Don, Jeff-- You two never seem to stop with each other. It's rather entertaining actually. Ever think about a cover charge for your threads? ;)
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$5...need my address?
Don....I'll send you 40%;) |
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