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I'm also thinking of getting the new hoyt cam&1/2 i've seen it but haven;t shot it yet.

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#1 The cam and a half design is new for hoyt this year. It is similar to the darton cam from the past couple of years.
#2 Draw force curves- the spiral is designed slightly more radical, thus it is faster.
#3 The XT2000 limb is a proven limb design. I prefer the split limbs over the solids myself, but that is just one guys opinion. I`ll be the first to admit that your Mathews are about as good as bows get in this day and age.
#4 For a combination bow, I would definately go with the UltraTec. Longer axle to axle and bigger brace height make it better for 3-ds, IMO. If you were just going to use it for hunting, I would suggest looking at the RazorTec.
BTW, without pulling the new Hoyt specs out, I believe that the IBO rating is only 7fps slower on the UltraTec.

Hope this helps you out!
Mitch

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HOYT! HOYT! HOYT! HOYT! (ACDC) LOL

I've been looking at the new Hoyt's at this pro shop and I like the Havoctec because of it's short axle to axle length and it still has a long brace height. I do alot of ground hunting through brush and I like the feel of it. The Cam and a half design pulls real smooth too.

KEEP IT LEGAL. KEEP IT SAFE. OR WE MAY NOT GET TO KEEP IT AT ALL.

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'Cause I'm TNT
HOYT! HOYT! HOYT!

The XT2000 limbs aren't quad limbs, split right down the center. The only "solid" limbs Hoyt has are for their camless bows. If I were you I'd get the Ultratec with XT2000 or XT 3000 limbs and Cam And 1/2. The spiral cam isn't adjustable. I guess Mathews aren't either. Good luck.

X-Ring

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I too might put down my Mathews next year. I'm going to check out the new BowTechs. I'm looking for a little more performance.

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I too shoot a Mathews(MQ1) and I am also considering hangin it up, not for a Hoyt but for a Buckmaster G2.

Shots that are True....Pass right Through!!!

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now now you know once you go Mathews you are branded for life & a member of the &quot;family&quot; we don't like it when you jump ship! better just put the hoyt down & wait till Jan. when Mathews shows off the new bows!

I know temptation is hard but the devil usually looks very good! keep the faith fellow mathews shooter.....keep the faith!

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HOYT! HOYT! HOYT! HOYT! LOL!

When I was looking at the Hoyt's at the pro shop, the owner had a MQ1 there that he had won in a raffle and was selling for $450.00 brand new. (stripped of course) But I drew it along side the Cybertec, Magnatec, and Havotec. I didn't like it as much as I did the Hoyts. All were set at 60 lbs pull and the Mathews seemed to pull harder. I mean not as smooth through the draw. It seemed to come to a peak and then let off. The hoyts just drew the same pressure through the draw and then let off. I don't know that much about the technical side of bows so I might be reading something in there that's not there, but in my opinion the hoyts were easier to draw. To me that means more praticing before my shoulder gives out.

KEEP IT LEGAL. KEEP IT SAFE. OR WE MAY NOT GET TO KEEP IT AT ALL.

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You wont be disappointed with the Ultratec and xt2000 limbs. I have the command cams and I'm not ready to replace them with the cam 1/2 yet.

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Hoyt New Bows are old Martin risors design, that is tec risor. Cam is copy of dartons. Imagine bow manufactures using anothers idea. It happens so if you like it than buy it and shoot it. Im sticking to my Legacy for long while but never know what I might shoot in 3d competion. Might check out those Botechs!

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Go ahead. Try a Hoyt.

Others have.

You'll become impotent.

You're hair will fall out.

You'll be the butt of cruel jokes at all the parties.

You're breath will be so bad, the EPA will condemn your air space.

Your cars will rust.

Your dog will leave you.

Ed McMahon will remove you from his mailing list.

You'll suffer from insomnia.

You will languish in a pool of medicority at the 3d shoots.

You'll develop Tourette Syndrome at the indoor shoots.

Pain and infirmity will be your constant companion.

You'll die penniless and unknown.

You own a Legacy and a Q2. Nirvana is yours.

Do not tempt fate.

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Hoyt bows are okay really...........for people willing to compromise.

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J-Bird, ya didn`t work hard enough! Ya did not convince me that one cams were superior to twins, I just shot them cause thats what they tell ya to shoot!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Now, here is a legitimate question for you....you really don`t like the new cam.5(twin)as well or better than a single?

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OKBWHTR,
It may very well be that what you say is true, but this is only my second year of bowhunting, and having never experienced the equipment you refer to, it new to me.

VC,
It may be a comprimise to you, but compared to what I was shooting, it's like moving from the KittyHawk biplane to the Stealth fighter jet.

KEEP IT LEGAL. KEEP IT SAFE. OR WE MAY NOT GET TO KEEP IT AT ALL.

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The Cam and a Half system is not a dual cam system. By definition a dual cam has to have two identical cams...hence the term &quot;dual cam&quot;. The Cam and a Half is trully a hybrid.

Todd,

Though most of your questions have been answered, let me add my two cents...

1. Yes. Though it has been in development for the past 3 years.

2. The Spiral cam is faster because it has a stiffer draw force curve. It rises to its peak draw weight faster and has a much shorter valley. It is also only offered with an adjustable draw stop that goes from 55% to 65% letoff. The normal Cam and a Half is offered in either 65% or 75% letoff. This is determined with the use of different draw length modules.

3. The XT2000 limbs are multilayer, carbon/glass split limbs. They are not solid limbs like those found on Mathews, Parker, Bowtech, etc.. If you meant &quot;solid&quot; as in reliable, consistant, etc... then, yes, I would agree....they are. I have owned several bows from the Hoyt lineup over the last three production years that the XT2000 limbs have been used and I have never had a problem with them nor have I heard of any of them being brought back for repair or replacement.

4. The Ultratec is probably the better combo bow (3D and hunting) but I prefer the Cybertec overall.

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J-Bird,

Can you suggest a compound bow greater than 42&quot; A-A with a single cam that I can shoot with fingers?