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I was reading back over the "OFF TOPIC" locked thread and was curious to know where our members stand on the issue of entering their animals into the P&Y record book.

Let me know what you think, add a post and let us know how you feel.

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You bet your left arm I would! Loud and proud I say!!

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Yes I would enter one.

I think too many people are bitter over the P&Y club due to let off restrictions. That left a bad taste in everyone's mouth. I for one played by the rules and always shot my bows at 65% let off, now they allow other letoffs with * beside the entries. What will we complain about now?

Hopefully this question can stay on topic....

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My P&Y scorer told me that the * will most likely be dropped in the near future from the record book entries.... True or not I don't know... They allow up to 80% letoff for record book entries.

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As I said in the other post I have 2 deer entered in the book and I bought one too. It is neat to see my name on the same pages as Chuck Adams, Myles Keller and Randy Ulmer to name a few. I also like to just look over the entries from other people to see where they come from.

LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!!

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Sure why not. It doesn't take anything or add anything to the hunt itself but it would be cool to have.

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Oh sure, why not?

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Absolutely.

I'm proud of any animal I shoot.

If I'm going to go ahead and have it mounted to show it off I may as well spend the money to show it off in the book too.

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I haven't enter anybucks nordo I plan onin the future. Not a big deal to me.

Tim

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Yes...and darn proud to do so:).

I will be entering my avatar buck in the P&Y recordbooks this year. I'll have him officially scored on or soon after January 8th, the day the official drying period is over. He green scored 158" gross and 155-2/8" net. I measured his width and he already shrank 1" in the width[:@]. I hope to add many more in the future.

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I have entered mine (7) and one in B&C too, under modern day trophies (160 min.). I enjoy looking at records listings for all game. Last books that I bought were in 1992, time for some new ones. As I said before, I'm a numbers guy, I like to see where all the big bucks are coming from and what sizes they are coming in.

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I guess I am still undecided. I am nota big fan of their scoring system. I believe that taking deductions for measurements not being the same on each side is wrong and doesn't give the true size of the buck.

I believe I read somewhere that these organizations were started because of the decline in game numbers. They were trying to keep records of how big these animals got, incase they ever became extinct. To me, the scoring systems don't do the animals justice. There is no such thing as a perfect rack.

Just my .02.

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I entered the First one that made Book in 1983, was a member, and made some Friends. Due to a family illness, and shortly after going back in the millitary, I drifted away, not submittingany Animals for the last 22 years. After reading some of the great and not so great posts on the P&Y poll earlier today, I will save up the money, have thethem officaly scored, and entered into the Book. I will also request to be a Member again, after all I could spend my money on alot worse things!!!

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You Bet. I will enter my first one, then after that I'll probably enter after it scores 150 or better

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Yeah I would do it.

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Definetely, first one I shoot that qualifies is going in!

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You bet.

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I'd enter a qualifying animal. If I were to be asked to become a member at Augusta National.....I'd probably order the members' yearbook, too. I bought the yearbook when I was in high school and college.

I don't see much of a difference.

I'm certainly not going to stand outside the walls of Harvard and make fun of their yearbook and the people in it. It smells of "sour grapes".

Jeff

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Thread stealer lol, I am going to be entering one next year. Now you didnt ask what the last battle for the thread so lets see what happens with this.

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I entered my first in 1996 and was proud to do so if for nothing elsemy own satisfaction and achievment.
There are plenty ofanimalstaken each year by hunters that never get entered into the books or even scored and i respect the reason these hunters decid not to.I simplyask respect for thereason that others hunters and myself do.

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I am undecided. One one hand it would be cool to get it in there and have a permanent record kind of thing. But on the other hand I really don't care. I just go out to hunt for myself, not to get my name in a book. Someday if the mood strikes me I may put it in, who knows.

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I'll never say never, but for now it really does not interest me. Pictures and a shoulder Mount will do fine.

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GUS.....on the surface....I used to say that, too. AND....I said the score of my deer didn't matter. I find myself not "worrying" about it, now....but I will score my deer when it gets back from the taxi's place.....JUST to be knowledgeable when/if people ask. I think it would be informative to know.

I guess I see the P&Y as sort of a fraternity??????? I won't jump through hoops to join....and the members HAVE to know that THEIR location has SOME bearing on their "entrance exam" (or, at LEAST, the site of the test!).

I waiver on this....I really do.....but I guess I won't spend too much time worrying about it until I get my "invitation"!....lol

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I'm not sure if I would enter. This years buck would most likely make it, depending on a scoring call on a tine. I'm thinking that even if it did make minimum score, I'd rather spend $25 on some broadheads. That is what it is all about for me, the hunt (I don't have taxidermy done, either).

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Sure I would enter one. Still waiting to have that problem though...LOL

MC

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GMMAT, I have never had any of my bucks scored. Not really sure why.I would like to learn how to do it myself just to fool around and have bragging rights over my huntin buddies!!!:D

I have only mounted one buck, and myDad, Brother andI have several on a home-made plaques. It's not like I chuck them in the woods or anything.

I like the idea of honoring the animal and remembering the hunt. I think it is an important part of it all, but I am not sure entering it in the P/Y book is the best way to that for me.

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I have Whitetail, Black Bears, Caribou that qualify easily (my measuring by the book) but never enter any. I got a sour taste for the record booksfrom a few things I knew happened with a couple members.
I congratulate those that have done it the hard way though...

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Yeah like the Zaft buck. Good source said panel had issues with the harvest of it and the only way to act is the way it did with the scoring.

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Exactly. I'm not saying that it was not an abnormal point, but look what happened to the score after that deduction. If you look in the book and see where the deer stands in rankings....its an injustice to a huge buck.

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I have no interest in entering a buck in the book. I'll score mine myself and that's close enough for me.

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Maybe.

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I have a friend that is a very good deer hunter. He's got over 20 P&Ys and has not entered any of them. He has about 5 mounted and a huge pile of cut off antlers in his basement. I'm the opposite, I enter them all and mount everything. It has never caused any problems between us because it is your own personal choice. There should be no reason for one to have to defend their choice.

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In my part of NYS there are not many big bucks but on 10/30/93 @ 7:45 a.m. someone smiled on me and let one walk past my stand. My 8 pointer grossed 126 4/8 and netted 125 2/8. It was entered in P&Y and the NYS Big Buck Club(minimum for NYS is 120). I know I will never kill another buck with archery equipment that will qualifiy for either book. Did I do it for bragging rights? Yep, thats why I did it. I don't have much time to hunt therefore I would usually shoot the first1.5 yr old deer that crossed my path. I wound up shooting a lot of does (gun and bow) and my friends started calling me the "doe man".They no longer call me by that name. Was i lucky? Yes, I realize I was very lucky. Am I a better hunter than my friends. No, as I always listen to what they have to say when it comes to hunting. We all have our reasons why we choose to enter or not enter our bucks.

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after I shot my first buck with a bow, I made up my mind that i wouldn't shoot another until it made pope and young. When i got one last year it was very exciting for me to have it entered in the book. I don't know if I would spend the time and money to get others entered in the future. Although it is a good excuse to see the pope and young scorer's amazing trophy room.

As far as the scoring goes i think they should keep the conventional scoring method, but also score bucks by calculating the volume of the antlers. This would show the true 'massiveness' (for lack of a better term) of the antlers and could be easily and quickly done.

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I will definitely enter my P&Y buck, as soon as I shoot him. I have already seta goal next year w/ my bow,>130. Hopefully he grosses over 125.