Rob/PA Bowyer

LOL MO HO,

Actually I wonder if mobow hit the common demoninator. All 5 bucks were shot with RM Snypers. I haven't shot a deer with Muzzy's since. I'm not knocking the Snypers because the hole is unbelievable and after all, all 5 were recoveries but I wonder. What ya'll think?

I'm looking for your input.

Sorry for the hijack mobow but were still talking penetration and KE here.

mobow

That's allright my friend.....we'll just kill 2 birds w/ one stone.....I've already decided on lighter/faster, I just was looking for a good conversation, which has indeed happened.

I bet the mechanical is what it is.....They burn up the KE and those big, 2" cutters create lots of drag.....

iamyourhuckleberry

I, personally, am very confident in my shot placement. Therefore, I always ask myself"how deep is deep enough". I have watched annually as my younger sister kills bull elk after bull elk with her 52 pound bow. Her penetration is absolutely nothing in comparision to mine (I pull and shoot 405 grain arrows w/ a velocity of 290 ft/sec from an80 lbs bow). Fact of the matter, each bull she has collected is just as dead as every bull I've ever killled. So the question is: how deep is deep enough? I like shooting light and fast. I want my arrow to hit exactly where I'm aiming- period!Reaction time (jumping string)of the animal is greatly reduced by a fast arrow, Thus my arrows usually hit where I've intended. Sure, I'll take a pass through whenever I can, but honestly, how deep is deep enough? How much more dead do you want them? One thing for sure, they won't die (OR YOU WON'T FIND THEM) if you cannot hit 'em in the right spot.

Find that arrow combination ( mass/ velocity) that works best from your rig. There is no one right answer....TOO MANY VARIBLES!Be proficient with your equipment and enjoy your time afield.

Dubbya

Rob I agree with the mech theory. That's the only feasible explanation. The only thing I've shot with mechs recently were pigs and a turkey, but both pigs were inside of 10 yards so that doesn't really count.

MOTOWNHONKEY

I made a joke about the blunts but thats what I was really thinking, that your broadheads wern't getting the job done. Your put a G5 100 grain striker on there next year and I gurantee a pass thru. Like you said though you had all nice exit holes and 5 recovered deer. Its hard to argue with success.

Germ

I shoot a 475 grain arrow. I may switch to the 140 grain Montec next year. 490 grain arrow

IMO shoot the heaviest arrow you can, with todays bows speed is not a factor.

I am still shooting around 250 FPS

I am 11 for 11 with this setup, 9 were pass thrus. Two buried in the opposit shoulder.

Doubled 150

I've used this arrow setup for 10 years: 29" Easton XX78 Super Slam 2314 with Thunderhead 125 broadheads. I don't know how much this arrow weighs, much less how much k/e I get. But, I do know this; I've gotten pass-throughs on 17 of my 19 kills. The two that didn't pass-through were poor shots.

mobow

huckleberry, you hit my point right on the head.....and besides that, I bet I STILL get a passthrough, even w/ a 380 gr. arrow @ 310.....That's 81 pounds of KE......I'll take that. Even if the speed is only 305, that's more than enough.

Dubbya

huck, i have to disagree slightly. In the grand scheme I don't think the difference in reaction time is 'greatly' reduced. A little, yes, but let's be honest the sound of the bow still reaches the animal almost three times faster than the arrow. No disrespect meant.

Rob/PA Bowyer

I agree with dwd here Will, we have to remember that speeds are in feet per second and our arrows are never in the air a whole second so even 30 fps here or there has no significance on a deers reacation time.

I had a deer fully duck my arrow at 285, the deer was calm, head down feeding, leg forward 19 yards. They are amazing.

And I honestly think they hear the arrow more than the bow.