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burniegoeasily 12-11-2006 08:34 AM

QDM question ?????
 
Out of the following pics, which deer would you take if these three were under your stand at the same time? Also,why?:


Deer A


Deer B


Deer C



drhntr178 12-11-2006 08:57 AM

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Deer A- appears to be 2 1/2 yo, maybe 3 1/2. He has no mass and but plenty of potential.

Deer B- Definitely a 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 yo buck. Good spread and mass socrijng over 130". He is a shooter in my book.

Deer C- Two words...Young deer, dont shoot them.

GMMAT 12-11-2006 09:02 AM

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I'm OUT OF TAGS....lol!

I think, genetically, the last deer needs to be taken out. He's not as old as Deer A.....but he's inferior. I think you'd be HARD PRESSED to find someone who....given the three choices......wouldn't take Deer B....if we'll all answer honestly.

Hey....I'm new at this....and this is my answer....until someone comes along and tells me why I'm wrong.....at which point I reserve the right to unkill the deer I hypotheically didn't kill.....due to the fact Im tagged out.

Jeff

_Dan 12-11-2006 09:05 AM

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Deer B- He's the only mature one in the bunch.

boldplate 12-11-2006 09:11 AM

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"B" Just a better deer

drhntr178 12-11-2006 09:33 AM

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ORIGINAL: SBGobblers


I think, genetically, the last deer needs to be taken out. He's not as old as Deer A.....but he's inferior. Jeff

I agree w/ you that deer c doesnt appear to have a good rack/genetics, BUT he also looks like a young deer- 1.5 yo. Culling a buck before he is at least 3.5 will come back to burn you. If a fawn is born late in the year it takes him, sometimes, at least 2 years to catch up to his siblings. At which point he can turn out to be a dandy.

Personally i think culling is BS, unless your on a game farm or a highly regulated area. Deer get big w/ age, bottom line. 99% of the time when someone says its a cull buck its their excuse for not shootinga bigger one. JMO

GMMAT 12-11-2006 09:34 AM

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Hey dr.....

He said we had a choice between the three. I'd pick B if I was offered a shot. I'm just being honest though.

Jeff

drhntr178 12-11-2006 09:37 AM

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SB, Iknow that you said you'd shoot deer b, who wouldnt he's a brute. But i just wanted to point out the cull idea to everyone. Its one of my pet peeves.



txjourneyman 12-11-2006 09:43 AM

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I would shoot any of the 3 but would prefer B.

huntingson 12-11-2006 09:47 AM

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Deer B - only mature one.

You have no way of knowing if deer C has bad genetics or not. He isn't old enough to tell. Either way, for QDM and not rack management, Deer B is the only one to shoot and it is because of AGE not RACK. I think there is a lot of confusion around here between QDM and rack management.

Germ 12-11-2006 09:53 AM

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I would let them all walk and shoot a doe:D

JimPic 12-11-2006 10:04 AM

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i'd prefer to take the second deer but i'd honestly take any one of those that gave me the shot i wanted to take

Madjac20 12-11-2006 10:15 AM

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None of 'em, they've all got holes in 'em.
Just kidding "B" takes my vote.

tsoc 12-11-2006 10:22 AM

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Why am I feeling like Burnie is asking a trick question?
My answer would be B.

ABarOfSoap 12-11-2006 10:22 AM

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deer b, because i like its eyes.

_Dan 12-11-2006 10:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: huntingson

I think there is a lot of confusion around here between QDM and rack management.

BINGO! I was going to post this same thought, but you beat me to it.

Well Said!

burniegoeasily 12-11-2006 10:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: tsoc

Why am I feeling like Burnie is asking a trick question?
My answer would be B.

Burnie wrings his hands while having a evil laugh.;)[/align][/align]

rybohunter 12-11-2006 10:32 AM

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Deer B, he's the one that looks the oldest.

MOTOWNHONKEY 12-11-2006 10:33 AM

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D none of the above.

Rob/PA Bowyer 12-11-2006 10:44 AM

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B, He has the most meat.;)



DaveH 12-11-2006 11:23 AM

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B was my choice too. Buck A has a decent rack and would have probably become a very nice trophy if given another year or two. Deer C is just a youngster who hasn't had the time to realize what his genetic potential might be. He'd get passed by me.

burniegoeasily 12-11-2006 11:28 AM

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Well, id shoot them all, because I did. When we verified age with a tooth chart, all were the same age. 2.5 to 3 years old. I let these guys walk until my last hunt, then took them on my last hunt of each respective season. Now I know tooth wear is relative to soil condition of the area deer are browsing. In this case, they all came from the same stand.


Interesting how QDMmeans two things, antler management, and herd management.

HuntinGUS 12-11-2006 11:33 AM

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TFOX 12-11-2006 03:57 PM

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We had a local taxidermist that had several deer aged by their teeth at his shop.He then sent the jaw bone off to the state,only to find out that most were aged wrong by their teeth.;)



It is hard to tell by the pictures which of these deer are mature,or not mature because they are field dressed.IMO, makes it harder to age them.


I will say that b looks older than the other 2 but but it still looks young for a serious qdm(antler management).BUT,I'm shooting b. 3 1/2 is mature enough for me and I believe b is 3 1/2.


Reason is I am the only 1 that even tries to shoot older deer where I hunt so if I don't shoot a 3 1/2 year old,I may never shoot another deer.:eek:

No Mercy 12-11-2006 04:05 PM

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Deer B
then
Deer A

GregH 12-11-2006 05:10 PM

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B........ because that's the kind of bucks I'm after. The others are not mature and have not reached their potential.

lifesadrag 12-11-2006 06:59 PM

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I suppose from a QDM standpoint it would be "A", something about inferior genetics. But mama didn't raise no fool; I'd shoot "B". I hunt only public land and I know I'm probably seeing him for the first & last time!

Oneshot7 12-11-2006 07:12 PM

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hey sb how are you tagged out???

Dubbya 12-11-2006 08:54 PM

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Well if I was truly "managing" the property and that was my main objective then deer c would get stuck. Deer B is a definite shooter but could be a truly monster next year. Deer A has some good genetics and needs another year.

but yes, I would shoot Deer B if I was given the opportunity.

davidmil 12-11-2006 09:31 PM

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Shoot which ever one you want. They don't have to be justified. They're legal and edible. QDM go to hell, it's hunting, not farming. I'd shoot the first one that gave me a slam dunk, all the time hoping it's the big one. Hell, I'd probably pass on the others and risk missing a shot just to get the big one, but it has nothing to do with QDM. It has to do with hunting.

Wolfpack 12-11-2006 10:01 PM

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Deer A and B are bucks of a lifetime in my part of NC so I would of course shoot them but I would also shoot deer C with my bow only. Deer C is not a bad buck around here.

_Dan 12-11-2006 10:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: davidmil

Shoot which ever one you want. They don't have to be justified. They're legal and edible. QDM go to hell, it's hunting, not farming. I'd shoot the first one that gave me a slam dunk, all the time hoping it's the big one. Hell, I'd probably pass on the others and risk missing a shot just to get the big one, but it has nothing to do with QDM. It has to do with hunting.
Do you ever get tired of beating your chest? Do you even understand what the QDM organization stands for?

Your antics grow tiresome.

GregH 12-12-2006 03:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: _Dan


ORIGINAL: davidmil

Shoot which ever one you want. They don't have to be justified. They're legal and edible. QDM go to hell, it's hunting, not farming. I'd shoot the first one that gave me a slam dunk, all the time hoping it's the big one. Hell, I'd probably pass on the others and risk missing a shot just to get the big one, but it has nothing to do with QDM. It has to do with hunting.

Do you ever get tired of beating your chest? Do you even understand what the QDM organization stands for?

Your antics grow tiresome.
Amen. Does "stuck in the past" come to mind here? QDM is not going away. With out it, our deer herds willcontinue to overpopulate and deteriorate in quality and health. Then our DNR will will want to eradicate the entire herd. Then there will be no hunting as we knew it. It's time that people become educated on herd management for the betterment of our herds and our hunting.


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