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Anybody shoot without a peep? No sight?
I'm going to be setting up a new bow (Allegiance). Is there any advantage gained by NOT using a peep? No kissser button? No sight...lol?
I'm truly interested in knowing why peopledon't utilize these. jeff |
RE: Anybody shoot without a peep? No sight?
I had trouble seeing through my peep in low light conditions. So i took it off and put a No-peep on my sight... Worked really well for me, i actually shoot tighter groups. With the no peep you can even get rid of your kisser button, but i kept mine.
The only advantage other than visibility is the obvious arrow speed... taking weight off your string gives you some more fps.. |
RE: Anybody shoot without a peep? No sight?
No peep guy, I am able to scan ahead with my bow back.
Low light is factor as will for not using one. |
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Consistancy is the major factor because shooting out of a treestand causes most to shoot with improper form, couple that with not anchoring the same as level ground, not having a peep for most will cause your arrows to be high and low depending.
There are so many new larger diameter peeps that low light is rarely a concern along with the new fiber pins. Like I've said many times within the sight question posts, I can still see my pins when it's too dark to shoot the deer with my naked eye. When someone has a consistant anchor point and maintains consistant form, peeps are less necessary, on level ground...treestand shooting causes other situations to overcome. I'm not a fan of using both, a peep and a kisser but I recommend one or the other. Also, for everyone reading, don't misinterpret "no peep" use with not having anything. There is a product called "No Peep"....it aids in alignment. I'm even confused on what you meant Germ..;) And as far as not having a sight, The Nuge does it, he cants his compound and shoots instinctively along with all the other longbow and recurve guys....on an Allegiance, I highly recommend a sight. |
RE: Anybody shoot without a peep? No sight?
I do not use a peep:) Are we clear now[8D]
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RE: Anybody shoot without a peep? No sight?
Well does that some it up for ya!
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer Consistancy is the major factor because shooting out of a treestand causes most to shoot with improper form, couple that with not anchoring the same as level ground, not having a peep for most will cause your arrows to be high and low depending. There are so many new larger diameter peeps that low light is rarely a concern along with the new fiber pins. Like I've said many times within the sight question posts, I can still see my pins when it's too dark to shoot the deer with my naked eye. When someone has a consistant anchor point and maintains consistant form, peeps are less necessary, on level ground...treestand shooting causes other situations to overcome. I'm not a fan of using both, a peep and a kisser but I recommend one or the other. Also, for everyone reading, don't misinterpret "no peep" use with not having anything. There is a product called "No Peep"....it aids in alignment. I'm even confused on what you meant Germ..;) And as far as not having a sight, The Nuge does it, he cants his compound and shoots instinctively along with all the other longbow and recurve guys....on an Allegiance, I highly recommend a sight. |
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ORIGINAL: Germ I do not use a peep:) Are we clear now[8D]  |
RE: Anybody shoot without a peep? No sight?
I never used to use a peep but I started bowfishing more and my one bowfishing bow had a 28" draw, my other had a 27" draw and my recurve I drew to about 25". (no sights on any of them) After a summer of that, when I picked up my hunting compound... my consistancy left much to be desired.
So now my hunting bow (26.5" draw) has a Hindsight on it. I can now shoot all summer with my variable draw/no sight bows and still pick up the 'hunting' bow and be accurate with it. :):) |
RE: Anybody shoot without a peep? No sight?
I'm going to be setting up a new bow (Allegiance). Is there any advantage gained by NOT using a peep? No kissser button? No sight...lol? I'm truly interested in knowing why peopledon't utilize these. 1. You will not have to rely on anything but yourself. Well some of the things anyway. 2.The bowshould be quicker pointing. 3. Daylight should not become an issue as long as you can see the spot you need to hit (and follow game laws). I know of a fellow that practices in the complete dark, he uses a pen laser on the target as an aiming point. I'll have to try that some time. ;) |
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yea, i use the product "No-peep" and love it!
I found (atleast for me) that going to a larger diameter peep leaves room for some inconsistency... |
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i've gone back and forth with peep no peep over the years. I'm now shooting w/ out a peep again, which is the best hands down for hunting situations. I found the peep limiting when i actually had an animal in front of me. It works for me well enough to keep the peep off my bow, and concentrate on form.
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RE: Anybody shoot without a peep? No sight?
Guys.....I CERTAINLY appreciate the answers, so far.....but in my VERY limited experience in bows.....somebody's gonna have to break it down for me in simplest form. I can't comprehend what you guys are saying.
If I choose not to use a peep AT ALL.....how do I aim? Is it through practice and instinct....and the anchor point being in the same spot? Other? If I have a peep but no kisser button.....is it, again, the consistent anchor? No peep....no kisser......?????? I can see how form would drive ALL of these choices. I like to shoot my bow.....but I KNOW with a kisser and a peep.....I'm not going to be that far off (and that's relative, as I'm sure all of you are proficient shooters). I'd just like to know if I'm limiting myself .....utilizing a peep and a kisser button.....and if I'm going to be switching bows (primary)....it would seem to be a good time to experiment. Thanks jeff |
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I have often toyed with the idea myself of gettin rid of mine however i drilled the one i have out a bit more and there seems to be an adequate amount of light coming through it. I find that when i lose the light i am right around shooting time anyways so it keeps me honest. I do not shoot enough or have good enough form and consistency to go without it i think.It has cost me shots b4 yes but those were probably shots i shouldn't have been taking in the first place anyways.
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RE: Anybody shoot without a peep? No sight?
The reason I stopped using a peep is because my bowstring started fraying near the peep sight. Also, the rubber hose for aligning the peep would break periodically, and did not want to have to rely on this.
Now instead I use a marker where the peep was. Works fine. I guess I could move this down to kisser level, but no need to change what works. |
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ORIGINAL: SBGobblers If I choose not to use a peep AT ALL.....how do I aim? Is it through practice and instinct....and the anchor point being in the same spot? Other? |
RE: Anybody shoot without a peep? No sight?
thanks......and skyguy......you're NOW hitting on something I want to hear more about (remember...I'm really still new to all this). I was wondering why a man couldn't have some sort of "marker" on his bowstring where a peep might be......to align with his sight pin(s). Can someone expound?
Thanks! jeff |
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Does the Eradicator still exist? I am surfing right now ..not having any luck. I have thought about it for years, getting away from a peep all together..
ah here it is... I thought about this one http://www.eradicator.com/index.html |
RE: Anybody shoot without a peep? No sight?
I have two friends that hunt without a peep. They still use sights. They say that they can get on target faster. I believe them, I just can't do it or am afraid to. It's the target shooter in me. If you go without it, you'll have to make sure you've got your anchor point(s) down pat, because your losing one of them. The one guy has 24 P&Ys, never entered one of them.
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RE: Anybody shoot without a peep? No sight?
Now.....WHY I am interested.....
Rob/PA was down here a few weeks ago.....and we had deer in or set EARLY one morning. I asked Rob if he could see his sights/peep (after we came down). he said "sure". I couldn't see a thing in my sight or peep. Admittedly....We were 2-3 minutes from enough shooting light for ME.....but had Rob had the angle I had......he'd have shot a doe I named "Cadillac" (she's long and sleek). The difference between harvesting a trophy animal and not harvesting one.......could depend on my equipment in the future. I won't condone shooting in the dark....but we'll leave ethics out of this equation. Rob had sufficient light to shoot. I didn't (based on my equipment). I want to give myself EVERY LEGAL advantage. That's why I asked the questions I ask(ed). For the record.....I'm currently utilizing the SH Hunter Hogg-it. it's a great target sight.....but about as pitiful a hunting sight as I've seen. I liked Rob's Viper sight.....and I'll likely ask for one for Christmas. Thanks for all of your replies......and I'm still interested in that "marker thing" i.l.o. the peep. Sincerely jeff |
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i have one site pin set at 20 yards and put my index finger at the side of my nose just above my mustash....when i move my index finger to the corner of my mouth my 20 yard pin becomes a 30 yard pin....when i put all three fingers under the arrow on the string and use my nose as my achor point the 20 yard pin becomes a 10 yard pin fer close shots....i've been shooting like this since 1980 and have never changed a thing....with only 2 deer lost due to bad hits as the deer jumped at the shot in 35+ deer with my bow since 1980 i'm sticking to it....no release, kisser button or pep site to fail on me....and with three shots in three years with three deer in the freezer and two arrows used..............bob
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Bob.........RESPECT!
That's awesome! Jeff |
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ya just got to establise an anchor point and stick to it....like my index finger and the corner of my nose and mouth....this way i have just one pin to worry bout and that's it and shoot fingers only even in the late bowseason in PA after dec 25th....i just take my glove off before the shot once the adren starts pumping my fingers don't get cold if ya know what mean..................bob
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RE: Anybody shoot without a peep? No sight?
I like the idea but I'm afraid I'lllose accuracy. I use a peep, have a tied knot on the string for my nose and my anchor point for reference. I shoot really accurately this way. I have shot a 51x 300 @320 fps. Last 4 seasons I've taken 5 bucks, 1 miss and used 3 arrows Both ways shoot well... you know pros and cons. What I'd like to try first is to shoot with both eyes open and see how that works.
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