Ohio allows crossbows. Has for a long, long time.

LOTS of guys use them. Some have never and will never use any other type of bow.

No effect on the herd. The herd continues to grow healthier and larger every year it seems.

We need MORE hunters, not less. We need to stick together.

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stealthy, the xbow and rifle hanging there. You put it to your shoulder, flip off the safety, look through the scope, pull the trigger.
The compound and trad bow hanging there. You pull it back, hit your anchor, release the string. As stated by others, some shoot bare bow and some with accessories, both type bows.
What type of bow or xbow you use has absolutely nothing to do with how close you get. I agree compounds have a longer affective range, but that doesn't necessitate taking long shots. In the thick stuff I hunt, 25 yds is a long way to see clearly. Just because you carry a trad bow doesn't make getting close easier or harder. I can hit what I shoot at, I find getting close the real fun/challenge.<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

Phil.
&quot;Could you guys be quiet, my dad's trying to shoot.&quot;<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

<font color=red>&quot;JRW - One post of your out of dozens about crossbows adds anything to the conversation really from what I have read on the LW and here, so no I don't really know your stance and instead of posting it like I am you dodge around again and again.&quot;</font id=red>

SC, again...I've posted it time and time and time again for you. I'm not going to join you in chasing your tail. If you don't understand it by now...you never will.


<font color=red>&quot;So , then your opposition to crossbows is based on selfishness? After reading other replies you've made on this subject in the past I would have guessed it to be your &quot;mightier than thou&quot; attitude. Or is it a little of both?&quot;</font id=red>

BOWFANATIC, thank you for the name-calling. I always enjoy when crossgun discussions go to this point.

One guy says that bowhunters don't impact game management, so crossguns are a moot point. Another guy posts facts to refute that invalid claim, so that makes him &quot;selfish&quot;. How convienent for you.

The other side of the coin would be for me to call those who want to legalize crossguns for archery-only seasons, instead of actually learning to hunt with the already-required equipment, lazy slobs. But, you haven't seen me do that, have you? And you won't.

I'll afford you more respect than you have me by closing with this: A wise man once said that the measure of a man is not only those who shook his hand, but those who cast stones. In that regard, I consider all the name-calling and insults, by you and your type, a badge of honor.

JRW

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JRW - You dodge more than Bill Clinton does ! And that piece on the LW, REAL classy buddy !

&quot; One guy says that bowhunters don't impact game management, so crossguns are a moot point. Another guy posts facts to refute that invalid claim, so that makes him &quot;selfish&quot;. How convienent for you.&quot;

Correct, AR archers kil about 8.5%-10% annual harvest. Rifle hunters do the rest. IL archers take about 40% as you said, and the rest ? Is it shotguns ya'll use ? I think we're both right on those counts. If ya'll are killing that many deer, then yeah, I can see the G&F taking measures to preserve the herd and manage it properly. I would think you'd be in FAVOR of seperate seasons - hell the comound hunters must be taking like %80 or more of the archery kill, right ? But the differnces in the compound vs recurve/longbow aint significant , not like the crossbow vs compound, is that it ? RIIIIGGGHHHHTTT ... I keep forgetting the brilliant argument you put forth !!

Name calling ? How about Liar ? As defined,

LIE : 1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive

The intent wasn't there JRW, although I was technically wrong in that I cannot find anywhere that you stated what I wrote. You were VERY generous in giving me 20-30 minutes to retract it and edit though before making subsequent posts and bashing me on the LW. You Da Man !!

So, you going to answer BOWFANATIC question or not ? Is it true that compound, recurve and longbow hutners band together to keep crossbows out because they want to keep their long season, there bag limits and to keep the number of hunters to a minimal in the woods ??

I'd LOVE to see that argument !
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Krisken,

I really didn't mean anything personal by it. But, you blew me away with, <font color=red>&quot;Ted Nugent won a squirrel shoot in 1976 by taking a gray at 150 Yrds.,Why isent he in the olympic's?&quot;</font id=red>

As an overly-frustrated squirrel hunter, I'm in awe. That's some SMOKIN' shootin'. Tkae the zero off the end and I'm still in trouble with those grays.

JRW

<font color=red>&quot;The intent wasn't there JRW&quot;</font id=red>

...says the guy who was called to the mat for it. How convienent.

<font color=red>&quot;So, you going to answer BOWFANATIC question or not ? Is it true that compound, recurve and longbow hutners band together to keep crossbows out because they want to keep their long season, there bag limits and to keep the number of hunters to a minimal in the woods ??&quot;</font id=red>

1. That wasn't his question...was it? And you wonder why you don't know my position on crossguns in archery seasons? LOL!!!

2. Since when did I become qualified to speak on behalf of all &quot;compound, recurve and longbow hunters&quot; who &quot;band together to keep crossbows out&quot;? I'm one bowhunter with my own personal opinions...not the Grand Pubah of the bowhunting community. ROTFLMAO!!!

<font color=red>&quot;You dodge more than Bill Clinton does !&quot;</font id=red>

To quote you...&quot;REAL classy buddy&quot;

<font color=red>&quot;You Da Man !!&quot;</font id=red>

Thank you.

JRW


Edited by - jrw on 11/22/2002 22:24:58

JRW, I don't know you from Adam but you amaze me. You have not contributed anything worthwhile to this debate in my opinion. I don't mind people who disagree with me.(if I did I wouldn't hang my hat in the politics forum) But I yet to see you post your opinion or stance on anything. No you aren't the grand pubah of bowhunting and neither am I but we can give our opinions and start a discussion on issues?

Bowfanatic, I think you hit the nail on the head. Selfishness is the ONLY logical reason not to allow cross bows in archery season. Hey I admit it,I was against cross bows! However, after thinking it thru and realizing that I could come up with no logical reasons for my position, I changed my mind. I admit I was wrong, I'm a big enough man to admit it.

I will ask again to the people against cross bows in archery season; give us one good reason why you hold that position.

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OK....Ted shot a squirl at 150. How DUMB luck! And I bet he would tell you the same. I have seen him shoot. Not bad for instinctive. but I'd shoot agains't him at a buck a point anyday.
I saw him hit WAY high on an animal (looked liek an easy shot...didn't duck the arrow, justa bad shot) and then finish it off with a VERY good shot while the critter was on the run (at a claimed 90 yards)
He's fun to watch, but he's a MUCH better hunter than he is an archer.
NOTHING agains't Ted. But if you think he can hit suqirels at 150 yards, You need to quite that bad habbit and get into rehab.