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SC,

It's not too hard for you to make your point when you define the equipment. The thing that has been shown to you, time and time again, on this forum and many others, and you refuse to acknowledge, is the fact that the only thing that separates compounds from trad bows is the let-off...period!

You seem to assume that all compounds are shot with sights and a release. You also assume that all trad bows have wood risers and are shot without accessories. You were, are, and will probably always continue to be, wrong in that respect. Since it fits into your argument though, it's unlikely to change.

I know folks who shoot trad bows with sights, releases, launcher rests, stabilizers, etc.

I also know folks that shoot compounds with just a simple Flipper rest, and nothing else. Myself included for a number of years.

Here's a newsflash...sights, releases, mechanical arrow rests, mechanical broadheads, and stabilizers were all invented long before the first compound bow ever hit the market. <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

Every time this is pointed out to you, you go in a big circle and start chasing your tail again. Maybe this time it'll stick. I doubt it though. Dozens of people have given you countless examples of this on various BBS's, and you just ignore them each and every time.

You seem to have an inability to differentiate attachements and accessories from the bows themselves.

When you finally understand the real differences between the two, we can talk. Until then it's a pointless debate since you refuse to understand the very equipment you are debating.

And yes, the more I read these crossgun threads that you start for no apparent reason, time and time again, I start to think that what Reylamb said about &quot;bitterness&quot; is correct.

JRW (With no idea why I'm wasting my time with this again)



Edited by - jrw on 11/22/2002 09:41:19

LOL, he probably won't even address that.
I pointed that out last time and he ignored it.
I suspect his friend had the same trainer as the fella shooting 4&quot; groups at 100 yards. Funy things happen on the internet. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

&quot;In heaven, even the fish have antlers&quot;

Oh sure he'll address it. He'll spin in a circle, dodge it, and go right back to where he started from.

Because he personally hasn't been able to take an animal with trad gear, and he personally finds it so much more difficult, he thinks his personal experience is some universal truth.

It's not.

JRW

Here in michigan you can only use cross bow if you are disabled and the permits are very hard to get. so here in the state that i live in, there should not be any arguement.

hunt on hunt hard eat well

PABowhntr -

1. Don't we go through this every year about this time?

Uh, yes, I think we do <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

&quot; 2. Are you going to play Devil's Advocate again?&quot;

No, I really believe what I am typing here. I think the anti-crossbow setiment has no basis, or at the very best selfish ones. Waiting for that one good arguemtn that refutes mine .....

Charlie P - Honest answer. Me too. I really wish they'd pass a law and let me hunt the Leatherwood Wilderness Area by myself. I know, 20,000 acres to me sounds a bit selfish, but I think I'd be okay with it !

basserman - You entered the unseen and untrackeable magical element. Skill. Some people got it, some don't. I can shoot a compound quite well, I struggle everyday with a longbow. Some are naturals, some are not. I don't think, short a proficientcy test, that hunters as a whole can regulate that. And even then, a proficientcy test proves little other than the equipment is tuned and the person can shoot a target in ideal conditions. Good points I agree with all of them.

DG - more good points. He had a very closed stance is the reason he was whacking his arm so much. We're close to the same size in hght, weight and build. I showed him to open his stance a bit and rotate his elbow out instead of in. He'll be fine if he's listening <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Good point on the hitting what you aim at. Another thread perhaps ??

&quot; Because he personally hasn't been able to take an animal with trad gear, and he personally finds it so much more difficult, he thinks his personal experience is some universal truth.&quot;

JRW - Of course you're right. My 13 years previous bowhunting and association with crossbows and compounds don't mean diddly, does it ? Want to talk about the guy on the LW who missed a Grizzly twice, then hit it low, then lost a whitetail ? And he has 20 years experience killing animals with trad bows ! I am in NO WAY dissing him - I highly admire him and more so for posting the truth on his hunts. I love the semi-live hunts - I mean fantastic stuff for a rookie longbow hunter to watch. I watched a Fred Bear video the other night and he choked on a grizzly - shot WAY over its head. Don't tell me it aint different when almost everyone I know says it is and agrees.

I think you must be a natural, no kidding JRW. I really think you are gifted in that shooting a recurve/longbow doesn't seem to be &quot;hard&quot; for you. For most of the rest of us I think its more of a challenge.

Universal Truth ? Lessons learned and personal experience are invaluable. Can't help but believe in it too. I don't think I'll ever be as good with a compound as I am with a rifle at 50 yards, and I don't think I'll ever be as good with a longbow as I am with a compound at 20 yards. Accuracy doesn't neccessarily dictate what I hunt with though - most bowhunters defy that notion and go with the challenge as long as the accuracy is good enough. I aint debating whats good enough, but I DO know that for me to kill a whitetail I gotta be much closer than I'd have to be for killing one with a compound (max ranges considered). I also know that the benefit of drawing and holding the bow and speed and flat shooting of a compound would have netted me a fine bull and a fine deer. No excuses, just the truth. So harder is it ? Yes, without a doubt !



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<font color=red>&quot;So harder is it ? Yes, without a doubt !&quot;</font id=red>

For you? Yes. For many many others? No. And that is the exact point that has been shown and given to you time and time and time again. Yet, you still ignore it because it doesn't fit into your argument.

You also haven't learned the difference between bows and accessories, seeing as you glossed right over it, yet again.

And hence, the tail chasing resumes.

JRW

Stealthy i agree with you. boy you do know how to start a fire!!!!!
I own both compound and crossbow and i still prefer my rifle!!!!!!


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Wish I had some extra money hanging around,I'd go out and get some trad equipment.How much does it cost to get started?

Answer me one question Stealthy. Why would anyone other than someone who is disabled, want to choose a crossbow to shoot over a compound, recurve or longbow?

One statement by me......although someone new to shooting a compound might be able to take a deer after only a few practice shots, its highly unlikely they can do so consistently. Peronally, I don't think its ethical or mature of anyone to start hunting with any sort of bow without practice, practice, practice. Your positive statements about crossbows are negated by your statements about a new compound shooter could kill a deer within 20 yds easily! Has this something to do with sour grapes?