Good luck with that spiker Atlas. Atleast you can just throw him over your shoulder after you gut him. If you get thirsty just lick the milk off it's mouth.

Hmmmmm, I think I have been reading different posts than you Atlas.

From what I gathered, he has put in thousands of hours and has found and EARNED the spots he is hunting. Do youthink that scouting and finding these areas is easy? I think not.

I haven't seen any arrogance in any of his posts, only confidence in his ability.

Easy Motown.....

He's the only one I know that can shoot a P&Y "spiker".

Jeff

I'm sure one on one ole Atlas is a nice guy and fun to be around. He just likes to argue. Remember he does have more letters after his name than in it. Like MD PHD a-hole and such.

Yeah.....and I've got two degrees. That don't make me a better deer hunter, though.....in fact....I'm not sure WHAT they're good for, anymore????

I always liked that bumper sticker that read:

My kid kicked your honor student's ass

Well I guess all about over, man what fun!!

Atlas becareful about pointing fingers at name calling. When your precious ego gets hurt we all know what happens.

Please shoot a monster, you're do.

1) I'm not saying you haven't hunted more than one place or been successful at other places I'm just saying there are some flaws in your arguements as they have been stated. The premise of the arguement keeps getting moved by both sides. You can't compare things that aren't similar as if they were the same. I think Germ's invite to exchange hunts is the closest thing to that. Do I think you or Germ could find and kill a mature buck on Atlasman's property? Probably, but it make take you more time than you think it's worth. I think Atlas' major criticism, and mine at least on this thread,is not your skill but your attitude. It does come across as condecending. This may be because you have zero tolerance for Atlas or this topic but it does come across that way.

2) Yes anyone can find a better area but not all to the same degree. The best area in NJ will never equal the best area in Indiana. Which is fine and dandy. Luck of birth or willingness to move roots and all that. A hunter has to admit a degree of his success (in size of bucks at least, if not total numbers) has something to do with his location. As you have stated if you want to kill a big buck you have to be where there are big bucks.

3) Sometimes it's a choice of "The Lady or the Tiger". But yes, everyone can do SOMETHING to improve their experience but not all to equal levels.

That's great for you. I don't begrudge you that, as I said. When I get to 30 years where I work I also will have 5 weeks vacation time. Most people will not have that opportunity.

That's not what I'm saying. What I'M hearing is that someone having 30+ days to hunt and prime area has little to do with their level of success. It's universal, Realtree couldn't have a two DVD set of huge deer on film if they weren't spending thousands of hours in prime hunting real estate, no matter how incredible a hunter they are. This is not envy of the haves and have-nots it's just annoying when people don't acknowledge that aspect of things. There's a lot of young kids on this sight that don't realize how fortunate they are to hunt an area where they can regularly pass up 125" class bucks without thinking twice about it and then sit on a high horse when someone posts a pic of a 80" class buck and tell them they should let them go and grow. Not that I'm saying you're one of them but you sure come across like that on this thread.

Just FYI, I have no dog in this fight. I don't hunt in the cornbelt but I've got access to lots of private ground that has good bucks. I continue to seek new areas to hunt, because I like hunting new areas. I'm not a book chaser but I let bucks under 100" walk because I just find I feel regret over killing them now because I have so many opportunities to do so. I don't worry if my neighbor kills them. If that makes him happy good for him. I just let one pass last weekend and my buddy shot it because it was the first deer he's ever shot on his granddad's farm and I was glad for him. So I see both sides of the issue here. I'm mainly concerned with how each side is being presented and the attitude the arguements are conveyed rather than one side winning or the other.

Talon

If I lived where Atlas does I would have a different standard, read 10 or so pages back I told him so When I go north I have different standards. Samething when I go to public land in Ohio.

Talondale, does every reply have to be a frekin novel?

Hey, I'm thorough, what can I say?



PS. This is just a Novella.