little ones make big ones
11-30-2006 | 10:31 AM
#272
Boone & Crockett
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From: Hughesville, PA USA
RE: little ones make big ones
ORIGINAL: atlasman
I don't get the point of this story Rob..........it seems that you had to lie to make your point to this guy.
Unless I am reading it wrong.
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer
I had a guy like this approach me at Hoyt booth and lean over the counter and say, "too complicated, I hunt the hard way" while wrinkling his nose. I asked "Oh yeah, what's the hard way?"....of course I knew the response that was coming, "I use a recurve." To that I repsonded, "what's so hard about that" and the oncoming look was priceless......I then asked "IF a deer was 20 yards from you, could you hit it every time?" "Of course I can" came the harsh response as I then said, "SO can I, so what's so hard about that". (IN fact, I missed 2 years ago one at 16 yards which I'm sure a stick bow shooter could have hit)..
I had a guy like this approach me at Hoyt booth and lean over the counter and say, "too complicated, I hunt the hard way" while wrinkling his nose. I asked "Oh yeah, what's the hard way?"....of course I knew the response that was coming, "I use a recurve." To that I repsonded, "what's so hard about that" and the oncoming look was priceless......I then asked "IF a deer was 20 yards from you, could you hit it every time?" "Of course I can" came the harsh response as I then said, "SO can I, so what's so hard about that". (IN fact, I missed 2 years ago one at 16 yards which I'm sure a stick bow shooter could have hit)..
I don't get the point of this story Rob..........it seems that you had to lie to make your point to this guy.
Unless I am reading it wrong.
11-30-2006 | 10:43 AM
#273
Boone & Crockett
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From: Michigan/Ohio
RE: little ones make big ones
A lot folks notice few things about you too Atlas, LOL Pot meet kettle
Cattaragus, Erie, Wyoming, Allegheny Are these the counties you hunt?
Not by Uncle ED, or trigger as I call him[8D]
Cattaragus, Erie, Wyoming, Allegheny Are these the counties you hunt?
Thanks...........he might get a pass on your farm 
11-30-2006 | 10:45 AM
#274
Dominant Buck
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RE: little ones make big ones
Don't feel bad, Atlas....I asked you no less than three times on this thread alone to show your string of numbers and how you came up with your measurement of your deer you've entered in the contests the last few years.
I'm trying to learn something from you.....say how to "officially" score deer.....or how to make mine stretch to the numbers you're getting.
Nevermind.....
Jeff
I'm trying to learn something from you.....say how to "officially" score deer.....or how to make mine stretch to the numbers you're getting.
Nevermind.....
Jeff
11-30-2006 | 11:20 AM
#275
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From: Racine, Wisconsin
RE: little ones make big ones
ORIGINAL: Talondale
GregH what you seem to ignore is that you ARE comparing apples to oranges. You have sighted 11 mature bucks this year, obviously you havea good spot that has a lot of mature deer. I don't think that would be the norm for most eastern areas. You said you worked hard to find that area and I applaud your effort but you assume that this kind of area is around for EVERYONE to be able to find if they also put forth the effort. Statistically I think that's an impossibility. There's too many hunters and a limited amount of land for every hunter to find that type of honey hole. You also stated that you spent 30 days hunting this year and have two weeks of vaction time left for family. Excuse me, but that's FAR from the norm. I don't know what kind of sacrifices you had to make to get that type of free time, I don't begrudge you that, at level of sacrifice, for me,would include my family and home. I don't care how much I love hunting, I don'tbut I do begrudge the implied attitude that if we all would make the effort we all could have that as well. Sorry, but th love it that much. So it seems that this arguement devolves to people not having the opportunity others do.
GregH what you seem to ignore is that you ARE comparing apples to oranges. You have sighted 11 mature bucks this year, obviously you havea good spot that has a lot of mature deer. I don't think that would be the norm for most eastern areas. You said you worked hard to find that area and I applaud your effort but you assume that this kind of area is around for EVERYONE to be able to find if they also put forth the effort. Statistically I think that's an impossibility. There's too many hunters and a limited amount of land for every hunter to find that type of honey hole. You also stated that you spent 30 days hunting this year and have two weeks of vaction time left for family. Excuse me, but that's FAR from the norm. I don't know what kind of sacrifices you had to make to get that type of free time, I don't begrudge you that, at level of sacrifice, for me,would include my family and home. I don't care how much I love hunting, I don'tbut I do begrudge the implied attitude that if we all would make the effort we all could have that as well. Sorry, but th love it that much. So it seems that this arguement devolves to people not having the opportunity others do.
2) I don't assume anything. The fact is that anyone can find a better area than what they presently have, if they are willing to work for it.
3) Sorry, but it is still everyones choice for the type of hunting experience they get. Everyones family should come first. And as you said, "you don't love it that much" ( your choice.) Everyone can do something to improve their experience.
11-30-2006 | 11:42 AM
#278
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From: NY
RE: little ones make big ones
ORIGINAL: GregH
I have hunted many areas for years, where I see from 0 to 3 mature bucks per year. I've been sucessful in these places as well.
I have hunted many areas for years, where I see from 0 to 3 mature bucks per year. I've been sucessful in these places as well.
Why don't you still hunt those places instead of the area where you see mature bucks 25 times a year??
I thought it was all about the challenge............yet you seem to have chosen the easier way out.
You must not want it bad enough I guess.
11-30-2006 | 11:43 AM
#279
Dominant Buck
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RE: little ones make big ones
I can say that I preached ....since I started hunting whitetails a little over a year ago.....that all my deer here were small. I said that when the contest started....and I said that even a few weeks ago.
What I can tell you NOW, is.......I've been to the hallowed grounds (it's taken me a year to find them)....and I've seen behind the curtain. I've seen 2 deer that are at least 3-1/2 (based on my admittedly limited knowledge of such). They're HEAD AND SHOULDERS above all the other deer, here (and I've taken a 2-1/2 yr old from these woods....and one from another place). I've put in more than 40 individual hunts, this season alone. It took me until my 31st outing to see what I KNEW was a mature animal (buck). I saw another one the very next day.....and it's the one I had a run-in with on the 4th day of my archery season. I didn't know then that he was a mature whitetail. I just knew he was huge.
Would I have ever dreamed these guys were in my woods......after 30+ trips into them???? Nope. I NOW wonder how many I HAVEN'T seen.....that are STILL, no less, there.
Jeff
What I can tell you NOW, is.......I've been to the hallowed grounds (it's taken me a year to find them)....and I've seen behind the curtain. I've seen 2 deer that are at least 3-1/2 (based on my admittedly limited knowledge of such). They're HEAD AND SHOULDERS above all the other deer, here (and I've taken a 2-1/2 yr old from these woods....and one from another place). I've put in more than 40 individual hunts, this season alone. It took me until my 31st outing to see what I KNEW was a mature animal (buck). I saw another one the very next day.....and it's the one I had a run-in with on the 4th day of my archery season. I didn't know then that he was a mature whitetail. I just knew he was huge.
Would I have ever dreamed these guys were in my woods......after 30+ trips into them???? Nope. I NOW wonder how many I HAVEN'T seen.....that are STILL, no less, there.
Jeff
11-30-2006 | 11:56 AM
#280
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From: Racine, Wisconsin
RE: little ones make big ones
Talondale and Huckleberry,
I have whittled down my hunting areas to the ones that suit my needs. I am more than happy with my experiences. My plate is full right now. I have no need to hunt outside of my back yard. Maybe when I retire, I'll move on to a new state or providence, but for right now I'm stuck in the two states I've got.
It is a fact... Mature bucks are everywhere. You just have to find them. That's why it's called hunting. In the 40 years I've hunted, I did find some places where there are an abundance of mature bucks, how cool is that? Just because I've only hunted two states, do you think that there is no literature or shows on TV that indicate what kind of deer are roaming around the country? Get with it, that kind of information is easy to obtain, especially on the internet.
A lot of people are saying that they wish they had my kind of leisure time, that was easy for me too. All I had to do was put in 30 years at a wonderful company. Simple.
What I'm really hearing is that my success has nothing to do with my ability, I just have great spots and I'm lucky. Well, you're right, for every 100+ hours that I put into finding spots, scouting and hunting, I get even luckier. I'd rather be lucky than good anyway.
Huckleberry, I don't care what other people harvest. It's their choice. I've stated this since day one. Read my posts carefully.
I have whittled down my hunting areas to the ones that suit my needs. I am more than happy with my experiences. My plate is full right now. I have no need to hunt outside of my back yard. Maybe when I retire, I'll move on to a new state or providence, but for right now I'm stuck in the two states I've got.
It is a fact... Mature bucks are everywhere. You just have to find them. That's why it's called hunting. In the 40 years I've hunted, I did find some places where there are an abundance of mature bucks, how cool is that? Just because I've only hunted two states, do you think that there is no literature or shows on TV that indicate what kind of deer are roaming around the country? Get with it, that kind of information is easy to obtain, especially on the internet.
A lot of people are saying that they wish they had my kind of leisure time, that was easy for me too. All I had to do was put in 30 years at a wonderful company. Simple.
What I'm really hearing is that my success has nothing to do with my ability, I just have great spots and I'm lucky. Well, you're right, for every 100+ hours that I put into finding spots, scouting and hunting, I get even luckier. I'd rather be lucky than good anyway.
Huckleberry, I don't care what other people harvest. It's their choice. I've stated this since day one. Read my posts carefully.