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I hunted out of one of my fixed stands this afternoon (with no luck by the way), and an idea came to me as I climbed my sticks and entered the stand. I wonder if some of the seasoned veterans of HNI would be interested in creating a video or slide show of how to properly hang and/or enter and exit a fixed stand setup. It would be nice also if someone would do the same for a climber, as in a Summit or Lone Wolf. This would include harness setup and hanging sticks/steps as well as ascending and descending the tree, entering and exiting stand, ect., just as if you were going to hunt the stand. I believe this would be of great help to newbies like myself and so many others just getting into bow hunting. Of course whomever submits this video/slideshow should also post a disclaimer to the extent that they are not responsible for any injuries, mishaps, ect., resulting from someone following their technique.

Now the good part. I for one would like to personally ask a few of the members here to contribute to this cause. Of course, if you can not participate, no hard feelings. I understand. This request includes, but is not limited to... Rob/PA Bowyer, Hardcore Hunter, HNI Justin, GregH, and mobowhuntr. Anyone else with input please feel free to jump right in. That is if you can take time away from your hunting/work/family schedule.

Thanks, LT

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Chances are I'm heading back up to the ranch this weekend to take down one of my stands. If I remember I'll see what I can do about taking some pictures and throwing something together.

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LT; I have been meaning to film myself doing a lone wolf set up with the LW sticks and hangon. My lovely wife lost our leads for our camcorder so we can't hook the camcorder up to a computer or a Tv for viewing. I plan on going to Best buy or somewhere one of these days and getting the leads I need.
BTW, I am honored that you want my input.

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LT, I'd love to help you out. I first will have to go out and pull my stands and climbing sticks.

I may not however be the best example because I don't use a Prussic's Knot and rope like one should. I climbing in and belt off, not even with a full body harness. How I hunt I never recommend to anyone else. I climb poles for a living and I do take short cuts I would never recommend to others to do. I recommend a full body harness, I just do things differently after 25 years of doing so. When I hunted with Jeff (SBGobblers), I was impressed how effeciently he got into his trees with his climber and safety harness. I could do it right for a video, it will just take some time. I hope you don't have a deadline..lol

I can't upload video yet so I may have to do via a slide show. Again, this well take some time. I can offer a couple pics from hanging stands for now.

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Thanks Washington. I would really appreciate that and I really feel like others would benefit also. If I had more experience and a video cam I would do it. I really thought I would get more response on this. See what you can do, and thanks.

LT

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Thanks Rob, I new I could count on you to contribute to a good cause. And about your climbing harness/belt....For shame, For shame. LOL I understand when we get "young" and set in our ways it's hard to change. You should practice with the belt and harness and get used to it though cause one day you will be too young to do without it. LOL Anyway, thanks for the pics and any other help you can come up with. (No deadline)

Thanks, LT

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Here is a written walk thru on how I do it LT:






[/align]I use 5 sticks as I like to get up highif I can. I use a summit seat o pants safety vest. I carry2 safety ropes with the prussic knot on each in my vest.The vesthas a linesmans' belt and a middle of the back harnass. I place the 1st two sticks without the harnass hooked up. I then leave my bow on the ground with whatever else I brought with me attached to a pull up rope and the other end of the pullup rope attacked to a clip that my safety harnass vesthas on it.. I have a little shoulder sling that I use to carry the other 3 sticks up the tree with. The lone wolf stand is on my back and I hook up my linesmans rope. This allows me to use both hands to silently and safely hang each stick and my stand with. I make sure that when Ihang my stand that thelast stickstep is higher than the stand so that I can step downonto the stand.Before I unhook my linesmans' rope and step onto the treestandplatform, I hook up my middle of the back safety harnass to the tree above my stand with another safety rope that fits in my safety vest rear pouch. I am never unhooked this way. Once my safety harnass is hooked up, I unhook my linesmans rope and step ontothetreestand platform.Both of my safetyropes have the prussic knot and this knot is a must IMO.




[/align]Hope this helps and take care and be safe. You will find this type of mobile hunting very productive. I always bring the sticks and stand out after each hunt. I just toss each step to the ground when tearing down the setup and my standis back on my back as I climb down. I can hunt where ever I want this way depending on the wind and I can get into just about any tree I want.




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Thanks for the reply hardcore. And by the way, I like your technique. Sounds very safe and easy. I would still really love some video footage if you or someone else can get it. There is just no replacing live footage of "How to" on these kind of things. Regardless, thanks for whatever you can contribute.

Myself, I use a Summit harness that came with my Viper. I use a safety rope w/prussic knot on this harness when using my climber. I use a combination of this and a safety belt attached to the D-loops on my harness when hanging sticks and fixed stand.

Thanks, LT

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No problem; glad to help. I edited it a bunch so I don't know if you have read my finished version or not.

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Yeah I went back and read your edit hch. By the way, there is a rule around my house. No touching electronic equip. if you are a female other than the on and off switch. LOL Hands off those video cables Hoytgirl.

LT

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I am more than happy to help, though I'm not exactly sure how. I don't own a video camera, but I suppose I could take some photo's of how to set a climber and post it in my HNI journal....That's actually not a bad idea...I could take lots of pictures, of the proper tree and such, then the proper angle to start the climber, stuff like that. I'll do some more thinking on it, and if you have anything in particular that you want to see let me know.

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Thanks mobow. I knew I could count on you guys. You, to me, are the salt of HNI. If I could just get a reply from "old" Justin now. LOL He will be around I'm sure. One thing you may want to take pictures of is how you attach your cables on the Summit. ie., holding the platform up against tree and attaching cable. Same thing for seat section. Also you may want to include entering the stand at ground level and exiting at ground level. I know sometimes this can be tricky if you have a big angle to start with.

Thanks for any and all input mobow.

LT

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WOW.....Uh....I've been called alot of things on this forum, but that's a new one.....[8D]:D;) I'm not sure there is room enough in this forum now for me AND my ego...:eek:

I'll recruit my son to help take pictures, it'll take a couple weeks as I have him only every other weekend, but look for it in my journal. I'll let you know when it's there too.

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I have hunted for many years, but I have only used climbing stands. There-fore, I have never used nor am I familiar with the use of a rope and prussic for use in bowhunting. I have used a slightly similiar set up in training with my companys High angle and confined space rescue team, but I would also be very interested in seeing something on video concerning the set up and use of that type of safety system.

In fact, I might suggest the idea that a good production video could be a very helpful and possibly lucritave undertaking, with mass production and a wide enough release.My point in this statement is that there is definitely a need, and at least a moderate interest, and everydaywe are getting new hunters joining our ranks. At the very least though, you might help save someones life, either by showing the proper use of the equipment, or by making it simple enought that some hunters who previously would notuse a safety line would after seeing the ease of use and added safety factor.

Thanks for letting me bend your ears guys. And thanks enough for caring enough about othersto willingly try to make LT's idea come to life.

God Bless

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Very well put MichaelT, and thanks for the questions/suggestions. You are absolutely correct about the safety issues and bringing this to life. I really am not concerned about making money from this, but I know that someone with the skills could do so. My main concerns are my safety, the safety of others, and getting a clear picture of how experienced bow hunters go about their setups. Believe me, this topic has the potential to really benefit a lot of hunters if only they will pay attention. And Michael if you would like to contribute pictures, video or just good old advice, please feel free to do so.

Thanks, LT

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By the way guys, no need to get too technical with your videos or pics. I would rather see plain common sense and practicality than those lame videos and instructions that come with a lot of the stands, harnesses and climbing sticks/steps. Let's keep it as unconfusing (is that a word?) as possible.

Thanks, LT

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Man, I tell ya......you ask for help, we graciously offer to give it, now you're gonna be particular in which manner we provide it???? That's gratitude for ya! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D j/k buddy, j/k

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quite possibly the funniest thing i have heard all night i always thouhgt you were the pepper mobow[8D]

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Well, I've been using hang-on stands for over 25 years. As I get older (I'll be 50 tomorrow), I'm starting to look for easier ways to accomplish this task. I'm not saying that what I do is the right way, but it is the easiest way I know for the equiptment that I use. Currently, I'm using Lone Wolf Alpha hang on stands, two piece, folding tree steps and a three piece safety belt. I imagine it won't be too long before I'll just be using ladder stands or my double bull ground blind. For right now, I believe that the alpha hang-on is the quietest, sturdiest and safest hang-on stand that I've ever used. Here is how I set them up.

Once I pick the tree that I want to use, I move to the side of the tree where the stand will be sticking out to my left when I'm facing the tree.

I'll start installing the screw in steps on the right hand side first. Stand left, bottom step right. I install the steps at 90 degrees to each other. No more than shoulder width apart. Make sure that you don't space them too far apart or else when it gets colder out, you'll have trouble reaching them when you have more clothes on. For me personally, once I get the first two in, I stand on the first step and start spacing them even with a button on my jacket that is located just above my navel. I repeat this process until I'm at the desired height. The last step that you install will be on your right, within 12" of the stand platform. This way it will be a easy step into the stand. I also install a step about 3-4 feet above the last step for a hand hold to ease entry and exit of the stand. Once you are in the stand you can use this step to hold a fanny pack or other piece of equiptment.

Once the steps are in, I'll climb up carring the stand by a strap. Never carry the stand up on your back. A good friend of mine did this and slipped and fell, landing on his butt. His head snapped backwards into the V of the stand that goes against the tree and broke his neck, killing him.

Once up there, I fasten the stand in place. Then I step onto the platform and immediately remove the safety belt from my pocket and fasten it to the tree, then around myself. Now you are ready to hunt.

The reason for me starting my steps on the right comes from using the loc-on brand standsof whichI still have three. The rope was fixed on one side and hooked on the other. It was always easier for me to hook the rope in front of the tree rather than behind it. The way the alpha hang-ons work, you could hook them from either side.

When you install a hang-on stand this way you will use an odd number of steps for climbing. I usually use 11-13 steps. This gets me 23-25 feet in the air. I have used as many as 17 steps for climbing.

This may not be the safest or best way to do this, but it works for me. I am probably going to a safety vest in the near future.

I hope this helps. Any questions.... just ask.;)

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GregH, wow sorry to hear about your friend. To do it properly the treestand should probably be on the ground with a rope attached to it and pulled up once the sticks or steps are in place.I trust my safety line system and there is no way Ican fall unless theequipment fails. I feel it is more dangerous trying to carry a stand on a strap up a tree because your handsand bodyaren't free for climbing and thebulky awkwardness of a stand on a strapin my hands or on my shoulder hinders my ability to have total use of my hands. One could fall and impale himself on the corner of the stand too.
Man, you are tougher than me; those screw in steps are way too much work for my liking.
To each his own though; whatever works for you. I trust my safety equipment to keep me safe and the stand on my back while climbing is the safest, easiest, quietestwayI have tried or found.

BTW; HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!

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LT, I am so glad you asked for this. I use a couple different methods for getting up and into my stand (climbing stand or screw in steps orclimbing sticks with a hang-on stand) and I really think I am probably not doing things the quickest/most efficiently/safest way, so I really would like to see a video of this, too.

Thanks very much to those that have or will contribute their experience on this!

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Louisiana Tomkat----I'll shoot it for you and with you. I own all the complete and necessary professional equipment and editing programs.
I also own a climbing stand,Lone Wolf climbing sticks & lock on stand, Tree Saddle, climbing spikes, screw in steps and could even make the trip as soon as the middle of next week to do it.
Let me know:
Pat Miller
[email protected]

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Hey guys, and HCH for sure. If I am correct HCH, you said you take your stands out after each hunt and put them up before each hunt. If in the making of this video project, or just on your own, if someone could incorporate the placement of the ladder pieces or individual steps, and the hanging of the stand silently enough to immediately hunt out of , into the video or some type of teaching medium, I would be greatly appreciative.

And I am not singleing out HCH, anyone who puts up their equipment and removes it with each hunt is welcome to contribute.

I don't see how you can carry all that equipment in, walking into your hunting area,and hang it quietly enough to then hunt out of and be productive. I would love to know how.

Heck , If I am gun hunting out of one of my tower stands, I still make some noise, even when trying extra hard not to.

Thanks Guys.

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MichaelT: It's hard to be quiet, so I think the trick is to be as quiet as you can but get to your stand early enough to let things settle down before you hunt. I try to be in my stand at least 30 minutes before legal shooting light.

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This is very quiet to do. Quieter than my buddy's summit climber. My buck and Hoytgirls buck were both taken this year with same day setup. My buck was taken within a 1/2hour after hanging and when I grunted and bleated him in he must havebeen bedded or in the area not more than 100 yds from me.Hoytgirls buckwas takenwithin an hour and a half. There is nothing to get stolen by thieves, the stand doesn't get weathered and the straps don't get sunrotted and chewed on by squirrels, the deer don't get unto you from hunting the same stand location, and you get to hunt with how the wind is blowing for the day.

Ever noticed with a stand that the 1st day or two you hunt it and you see deer and than you just don't see many or any anymore? My type of mobile hunting is that way; I see deer almost all the time 'cause I am hunting a new setup each time with the wind in my favor and NEVER two days in the same spot.

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Uhhhhhh

WHERE do you live again, HCH??? Think that might have something to do with your deer sightings?

I live in NC....and I have PLENTY of deer where i live, too. I could hang a lock-on and hunt it the same day.....but I'm not so sure I could do it so quietly. I've also NEVER hung one without breaking a sweat......and if my wife hunted....Id have TWICE the sweat going. I'd be worried about that, as well.

I use Summit Copperheads.......and the $50 16' ladders that attach to the tree. I also utilize the Summit climbing system rope. So....I walk to my tree.....attach my tether......and I ascend. pull up the bow.....and I'm ready to hunt. I can be in my tree in 1 minute.....ready to hunt. I just set it up a week ahead of time.....and move it a few times throughout the season. If I want to get in stealth, though.....I use the climber (to get back into the REAL good areas)....and even then I choose the right days/wind.

It's all about what works for you.

jeff

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Just wanted to stop in and comment that these are some very informative posts. I know there are others out there with input on this, so let's hear it. I have had an offer from another member to come to me with professional equip. and video this subject. I however do not feel I have the experience to properly show the how-to's of these setups, ect.. Thus my request for this type of info at the beginning of the thread. I know there has to be some who are willing to video and I want to thank all of you who have already made up your mind that you will contribute. Can not wait to see what I have been doing wrong. LOL And by the way I want to visit this topic periodically and comment to keep it fresh on our minds if the mod.'s do not mind.

LT

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I'd also add that doing everything SAFELY needs to factor into the entire speed/quiet process. I can set a stand in 20 minutes and be completely safe in doing so. The climber is way less time than that.

jeff

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Just wanted to bump this topic up the list so no one would forget. I still would really like to see results from this request. I am sure I would not be the only one who would benefit from this topic. I see Jeff you are doing a seminar. Man try and video it so we can all see your technique, unless you are too intimidated by the crowd. LOL Just kidding. Anyway, hope some of you guys can come thru with pics/video or both. Maybe everyone can get along on this topic for the good of fellow hunters everywhere. Geeeesh, Why can't we all just git along?

LT

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http://www.bloodbro.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=178

here are some tips from the guys that use the Lone wolf tree stands & climbing sticks. Hope this helps

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