FeedBack Request For a Bad Shooter
 

I am not proud to admit this but there is a guy that I hunt with and he has wounded 4 deer this year with bow. I want feedback to print and show him because he won't listen to me about this serious issue. Any feedback greatly apprecited....

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If he won't listen to you, he probably won't listen to me, but here goes: If he doesn't work to improve his shooting, stop hunting with him. Or better yet, tell him to stop hunting all together, or at least til he gains some respect for the animal he is hunting.

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Tell him that we don't need slob hunters out there wrecking it for us that are responsible. If he can't have enough respect for the animal and the sport, then he should not be out there hunting. It is his responsibility to make sure he shoots accurately or not shoot at all.

If he is hunting on land that you both have permission for, you could get yourself booted off the land by the owner, if he finds out about this guys irresponsibility. I would tell him that if he can't square up, then I would not hunt with him.

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Hopefully he will seek some help from a pro or a better shooter who is also a good teacher. Wounding and loosing isnt something to be proud of with any weapon, it does happen but there is a limit to what could be considered acceptable by anymeans. Sometimes being humbled is the hardest lesson learned and until that day comes, unfortunatly nothing will change and will probably worsen until a confrontation eventually happens which is good for no one! Its only when one can look at themselves from the outside, things will change.

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wounded animals happen from time to time, but 4 in one year is crazy. I don't know if he just won't practice, doesn't tune his equipment or what, but he needs help!! There is just no excuse for that kind of shooting unless he kills over 100 deer a year!!

TAKE YOUR KIDS HUNTING AND YOU WON'T BE HUNTING FOR YOUR KIDS

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Is it bad shooting or bad tracking? What kind of equipment is he useing? Will he not practice with you?

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onlybow he is doing something wrong, either he is shooting beyond his range, he is not stopping the deer before he releases or he has no idea how to track. No matter what the problem he needs to stop hunting until he can correct it. You need to sit him down and explain to him that he is showing no respect for the deer and is harming all bowhunters reputations by continuing to hunt until he corrects what ever his problem is. All I can say is I am glad I am not in your shoes, but you have to do something, even it it means not hu8nting with him any more.

The Tazman aka Martin Price
Founder and President of
Virginia Disabled Outdoorsmen Club

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If I were in your shoes I would be furious. He is affecting your hunting area. Once he mouths about this to his friends (which he will if he doesn't care) you may be considered to be doing some of the same thing just by association with this fool. And to make matters worse stories change as they go from person to person. Surely you are aware how mad this will make some people. Maybe you should be one of them. If the guy is willing to practice and try and get better I'd lighten up. If not I'd bear down even harder. I too would not want to be in your shoes, I would be minus one hunting buddy.

J. Shoot

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Getting mad at him won't accomplish a single thing. If he's truly a friend you need to educate him, even if it takes a long time. Whatever you do, don't abandon him. He'll just keep doing what he's doing and there will be one less friend who might be able to sway his attitude.

The future of bowhunting lies with non-hunters, particularly women non-hunters. They are the largest voting segment of non-hunters and their opinions will sway legislation that could outlaw our sport. I think it's safe to say that women will not tolerate undue suffering for animals and that a sport that appears to have more than it's share of wounded but not recovered animals, will not be supported in their views. Don't think that it can't happen. It can and probably will some day. We have to delay this as long as we possibly can by showing true concern for a quick kill.

In 32 years of bowhunting whitetails, I have never wounded a deer that I didn't recover (90% died within a minute). I hold more pride in that accomplishment than any buck I've ever killed or ever will kill. When I take a shot, I know it's a dead deer and that it will die quickly and with little stress. I like it that way.

Maybe your friend should imagine that it's a pet (many out there do consider them pets) and he has to put it down. Now, is he going to just fling arrows from long distances, hoping to stick one in a good spot, or is he going to get real close and put the barrel in it's ear? Quick, easy kills are the result of hard work and having respect for the animal's death. We need your friend to start showing some empathy for his quarry if the future of bowhunting is to have a chance.

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Onlybow,

I have to be honest, if it was me I would no longer hunt with this fool. If he does not realize that something is wrong with his hunting skills(out of range, bow not tuned correctly etc.), then he has a seriuos problem. I assume that you are a serious hunter, you must realize that your friend is not. If you stay aquainted with this idiot then its "your bad" also. I would also consider it a direct insult to you that this bum has disregarded any previous communication from you. My last suggestion is to tell him to buy a hunting video game, then mabe he will occupy his time with that and not continue to hurt some of gods greatest creatures.

hunt on hunt hard eat well

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ok I wish there were more information on why/how he is wounding thses things, then maybe we could detect the problem and attempt to fix it. Until then, take his bow and wrap it around a tree. Knock him out, break his arrows, do whatever, to keep him out of the woods. He has absolutely NO business being there. Just disassociating yourself from him is ok, but doesn't stop him from wounding deer.

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That makes me sick. I've only been bowhunting for 30 years and have not wounded 4 deer. He is doing something wrong. We need more info to help this guy.

Taz is probably right. He is either shooting beyond reasonable range or shooting at moving deer.

Have you ever seen this guy practice? What kind of shot is he.

Does he have extremely thick glasses?

Is he an older fellow and has altzimers and shake real bad?

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You know my nephew use to be like this as well. When he practiced (if you want to call it that) he thought that if he put an arrow on the target (anywhere on the target) he was ready to hunt.

I invited him last week to target shoot with me. I found major-major errors in his form. I also found that he was trying to pull back 67 lbs. It was like watching a crack addict trying to count change. He was shaking all over the place. I lowered his bow to about 55 lbs and he got the arrows to group. Nice groups at that. For some reason he thought he couldn't kill a deer unless it was 70 lbs.

So invite him to target shoot with you. See if you can make suggestions to him in a non-aggressive manner. And, please, from an avid golfer - don't give him a golf club. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Fist I would print out these post's and then sit him down show this to him and explain that your concerned. Then tell him it's time to shape up or ship out. Wounding 4 deer in one bow season is absolutly PATHETIC. There is no excuse for any person to have 4 deer get away in a season. Offer to help him practice or track or whatever his problem is. I would also tell him that he is not to hunt with his bow until this problem is solved. Explain to kim that he is an embarrasment to him self and he is also making you look bad not mention that if the land owner finds out he/she is very likely to be upset. This kinda of behavior can't be left go I hope you get this fixed and you and you buddy can get back to hunting. This is a total lack of respect for the animal's he is hunting he doesn't owe to you or even himself he owe's it the deer if he can't be a responsible hunter than he has no buisnes in the woods. It is time for him to step up be a man and take some responsibilty for his actions!

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I've read a few responses that mention respect, thats what it takes to be a good hunter. Respect for the land, the animal, yourself, other hunters, the land owners, basically everything, out there in the woods its real life, not a video game and nature (of which we are a part) is to be respected.
Your friend may not have bad intentions but it sounds like he needs to learn that hunting is serious business and the way to earn respect is to give it.

Disclaimer: I have never shot at a deer with a bow, I'm using my x-bow untill I'm good enough with my compound to be ethical.

&quot;guns aren't for killing people, guns are for killing dangerous and delicious animals&quot;
- Homer Simpson

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We all owe it to Ladybowhunter38 to answer this one at least her father in law recovered the deer that he shot and it seems that he is willing to make an effort to improve his shooting.

First of all your friend needs to pack it up for the year until he becomes a better shot and if he is not willing to i would find a new partner I hope you are not going gun hunting with your friend one lost deer happens to all of us two could be a mistake but four deer in one season that is just plain irresponsible and a pure insult to our sport of bowhunting and archery

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Huntfourlife WILL YOU DROP IT ALREADY AND GET A LIFE!. You didn't even read the d@mn post right and you want to belittle this guy. In the button buck thread you complained about every one else thrashing people now here you are doing it and you didn't even read the post right. This guy is trying to make thing's right he is trying to teach a slob hunter how be an ethical hunter and I commend him for it. SO OPEN FOOT AND INSERT MOUTH THEN GO GET A LIFE!

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First of all grim reaper if you read the 14 th reply on this post you will see sombody calling his friend PATHETIC. IF you read his post he already spoke to his friend and explained to him how serious an issue this is but his friend refuses to listen I just figured the soft approachdoes not work maybe the hard one will and if you read my reply I did not belittle the guy who wrote this post I mentioned that his friend needs to learn how to shoot and if he is not willing to he needs to find another partner and as far as the other thread goes you are harder on a guy that takes and recovers two small deer than on a guy that wounds and loses four deer


What was it you wanted me to do? Open my FOOT and put my MOUTH in it? I wish I could do that then I just might be popular with the lady's

Edited by - huntforlife on 11/13/2002 22:52:02

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Thanks for all the Feedback. I'm printing now to give to him. He knows he has a problem but he won't fix it. He went to the range and shot and said he knows what the problem is. &quot;i'm all over the place&quot; he says. But is back in the field the next day saying that it was because he was tired and that if he is still and concentrates he can hit the bullseye. I think he is shooting to far personally. I hate to complain because I know i'm not perfect. I wounded one deer in my life and that was my first year. I hit a doe in the front right leg. She was still around years later with her leg propped up, at least we thought it was the same deer. He wants a deer too bad. That is the problem. He thinks if he flings an arrow at the deer maybe he'll hit it and maybe he'll get it. He doesn't say it but I know that is what he thinks. Read my new post. I need some advice.