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I go out to kill an animal. "Harvest" has become to PC. Besides when I harvest something, it involves corn or other crops. A deer is not a crop.

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VERB:
har·vest·ed , har·vest·ing , har·vests
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To gather (a crop).
To take or kill (fish or deer, for example) for food, sport, or population control.
To extract from a culture or a living or recently deceased body, especially for transplantation: harvested bone marrow. [/ol][*]To gather a crop from.[*]To receive (the benefits or consequences of an action). See Synonyms at reap. [/ol]

From the American Heritage Dictionary found on line under Yahoo so anybody can check it out. Clearly harvest is an appropriate term when talking about killing deer.

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SBGobblers,
Thanks for the info. I'm referencing Webster II New Riverside University Dictionary. I went back and looked, and the def you provided isn't there. Doesn't surprise me really, they add and delete words all the time.
However, as far as I can tell using the word "harvest" to describe killing a deer is a euphemism - An act or example of the substitution of an inoffensive term for one considered offensive.
Further it is at least worth noting, that if enough people start using a word incorrectly, Webster will by default, update the definition to document its new context/meaning.
Another fine example of this is "Point Blank" or "Point Blank Range". One of the definitions (according to Webster) for this term is "pointing a gun so close to a target that it is unlikely or impossible to miss". However, the real definition/history of this word holds a lot more information. This term was used to describe a distance that one could shoot a particular firearm and be certain of where it would hit its mark within a given range. More specifically it is the distance at which the projectile has fallen equal distance below the line of sit as the maximum trojectory (above the line of sight). For example if you're shooting your trusty 30.06 and have it zeroed at 100 yards, your maximum trajectory may be 3 inches above the line of sight between the near zero and the zero marks. Thus meaning that when your projectile falls 3 inches below the line of sight, you have reached your point blank range (probably in the neighborhood of 130 yards). Double the distance (6 inches below the line of sight)and you're at the supplemental range. But, low and behold, 99% of society doesn't know how to shoot (even many successful hunters) and so they start using these terms incorrectly. But Webster will catch up, and instead of holding true to the original term they will change it. Go ahead and use harvest, after all it is areally lofty way to describe "killing". I will use, kill, not to be harsh or tell those "anti's how it is, or try to upset them. But simply because it is the most accurate wordto describe what I've done. You can bet that if they were there to see what you'd done, they would call it killing too. And it is my opinion that there is nothing wrong with killing animal for good reason, so I'll call it what it is.

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To me it is about manners and being respectful of what may be offensive to others.Political correctness and being offensive are not necessarily one and the same!
Personally I don't use the word harvest,but I don't also very often use the word kill.I use the words took or shot or got.Why would I in a conversation with a lady or a non hunter or even an anti hunter show some respect and courtesy by using termonology that isn't as graphic.I have no need to let them know that I can use the word kill and it is my god given right to do so.I know what I did and so do they!
I don't think there is any thing wrong with not offending someone when you havea choice in the matter.Not very many people have grown up where they witnessed and participated in the process of bringing an animal to the table from start to finish.I don't disagree that folks should have more of an awareness about the process and if the opportunity is given I will tactfully participate in the discussion.
To influence people you have to meet them where they are and then tactfullybring them your way.

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I kill bugs and let them lay, I harvest deer and eat them for dinner.

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Kill-to deprive of life : cause the death of b (1) : to slaughter (as a hog) for food (2) : to convert a food animal into (a kind of meat) by slaughtering.

Harvest-the season for gathering in agricultural crops...

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I use them both

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when amurder shoots someone they dont say he harvested that guy, they say he killed him... so if the murder decided to eat him, they they would say he harvested him?

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Come on guys! Harvest and kill are NOT synonyms so let's stop with the ridiculous analogies. Of course a murderer isn't harvesting nor is somebody killing pests. But when you participate in the process of trimming down the deer population and you take the meat and put it in the freezer then not only are you killing but you are also havesting. Avoid the term all you want but in the english language the term harvestappropriately describes what is happening.

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We are talking about the term harvest as a verb. You've pulledone useage from a dictionary as a noun and conveniently avoided the useage as a verb which again is the way we are using it in this discussion. If you are trying to say that the term harvest only applies to crops, you are simply wrong.

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You kill with a rifle and harvest with a bow.

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They both have the same outcome, but if talking to an anti hunter harvest would be a more ethical term to use.

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This is a great waste of time IMO. I can't believe I just read this entire topic. Since I did make it thru this thread, I'll just say that the P.C. crowd in our country today has created havoc. So what if it offends people when the word "kill" comes out of one's mouth. I think it offends most Americans when they listen to all the P.C. b.s. flying around today. Call it what it is.

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from now on when we kill deer lets just say " we sent him to a better place" instead of kill, that will make the anti deer people even more happy than harvest, than we can all go play in a giant jungle gym of marshmellows and sing songs while we play togehter.

its kill, wether your picking potatoes or shootin a deer, harvest is just a way to make us not sound like murders, even tho wetechniclly are... its so stupid, harvesting a deer sounds so retarted... whats next, i harvested a dog on the way to work today with my truck... my grandma was harvested last night........

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I think that I would prefer harvest but I think I generally I say that I "got one". But kill is also in the vocab

Tim

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the only time you should be able to use harvest is if your and indian in the woods who needs to kill the deer to live and feed the community, cause other than that were doing it for fun.

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What in the worldare you talking about?

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thats sig worthy.

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How true....



Loved this post...

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If you are trying to be P.C. then Harvest, If you just dont care what the libs think of you (like me) then tell the truth, we KILL Bamby....well, not Bamby but Bamby's parents.

I understand the whole professionalism and appearance thing. At the end of the day however if we are succesful, we are covered in blood, fur, and little pieces of fat. I harvest carrots, I KILL animals, they both go in the freezer.

When we trim ourselves to fit the expectations of society I cant help but think we change ourselves a little bit. I used to say harvest, it was ...kinder. But now I say kill. In part because it's just more accurate, and in part because I dont mind what anybody else thinks, or if PETA hates me..I am comfortable with what I do.

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Isn't that the roadof marriage? :eek:

Bobby

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Hey! I'll say it again.....if you're not "PC".....

...then go tell your daughter what you and mommy do when you're naked in the bedroom.

Go ahead, now......run along....!

Jeff

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SB, we get the point. You don't have to repeat yourself a dozen times.

My question wasn't about protecting children from the realities of life, it was about speaking to adults about what we as hunters do.

I figured a grown adult would be able to figure that out. I don't know whether you're trying to be funny or if you're seriously trying to make a point, so stop repeating yourself. We heard you the first time.

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Then you're "baiting". MY question was baiting, too (admittedly, though). The point is.....we OFTEN mince our words to say things that can be considered delicate topics. Why the malice if hunters do so? I'm not bowing to the man if I choose to use the word "harvest". I know an animal died, was killed, bit the bullet, or as the pros say......"found out what the TC had to say". So does the person I'm talking to.

People who use the term "Harvest" aren't any less macho-men nor are they succumbing to the PC, latent-pacifist societal "norms" of today.

They're exercsing their right to utilize TACT. Nothing more.

Jeff

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That wasn't the point I was trying to get at at all, SB.

No where in any of my posts did I say that anyone was less macho or anything of the sort for choosing to use the word harvest in place of the word kill.

My question was, if you do replace the word kill for something else, why? Is it because of the new politically correct day and age we're living in, or some other reason?

Personally, I'll stick to saying kill. I've got no reason to change the way I speak to please anyone.

Do you always take the argumentative tone when you talk to people? You do realize how abrasive that is towards everyone, right? I'm not trying to be rude about it, but this is the second debatable thread where you've done it. You're nearly as bad about it as Atlas is sometimes.

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So tell me.... in Vietnam did my boys Harvest or Kill?[8D][8D]

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Wash:

If you'll read back through the thread.....you'll see that most of the "kill" guys purport to not succumbing to the "PC" crowd......and inferring that anyone that utilizes "harvest" IS.

I just can't believe that .....when you step back and look at it......you can't see why the "harvest" term has merit. If my mom called me......I'd likely use "kill". Ditto my bow shop owner. If someone I worked with asked me if we were successful.....I'd likely use "harvest".....until I knew their stance on hunting. I'd ALWAYS use it if I thought someone whom I DIDN'T KNOW their stance on hunting might overhear me. Do I really care what they think???

Personally.....NO. Do I care what they think about hunters as a community?? YES!

I just see NO REASON to add fire to an open flame......or blow on an ember to spark a fire that could EASILY be avoided. Have I compromised my manhood or my devotion to the way of life I choose?? Honestly, now......I don't think so.

Iapologize if you find this argumentative. I might not utilize as much tact as I preach in trying to show another point of view.

Jeff

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Honestly some of y'all would argue that black was white.

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black and white are the same thing, when u turn the light off white things turn black, so techniclly they are the same.

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LOL:D

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Times have changed. Consider this......when I was in high school, I parked my '62 Chevy PU on the school parking lot with a loaded 30/30 on my gun rack during the months of Nov. and Dec. We "harvested" crops that deer love to eat then "killed" the deer and ate them. Occasionally you heard some foolish remark about "Bambi" but if the sayer was a real cutie you just grinned and let it go. Then along came the "Revolution" that the Beatles sang about. We have been going downhill ever since.