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Germ 09-18-2006 01:40 PM

RE: What is your idea of a good solid shooter buck?
 
Anything 125 and above here in MI for me.

This year I would like to take a 150, but hard not to pull the trigger on those small 140's

Here is my question for the guys who are (I hate this term) meat hunters.
If you have 140-150 class buck coming towards you, and it looks like you are going toget a shot. Are you thinking look at those back straps?

For the (hate this term also) trophy hunterwhen you shoot a doe are you thinking, boy she will look pretty on the wall?

I can tell you I shoot 1 1/2 doe because they are tasty!!!
When I see a big boy I am not thinking about his back straps, LOL

I only know one hunter who does not fits this mold, Grandpa would come look a big boy I shot and say, "Looks at those Back Straps", lolthen say "Nice Rack"

Shooting a mature whitetail comes down to 2 points, 1 you have to have them where you hunt and 2 the patience to wait for one. This is doe or buck, I have taken more mature bucks they I have doe's. Those old doe's seem a bit wiser during the rut.:)


atlasman 09-18-2006 01:53 PM

RE: What is your idea of a good solid shooter buck?
 

ORIGINAL: Handles

Fillae, if it is all about meat in the freezer then again why shoot a buck?
Why not??.......bucks don't have meat on them??





Atlas. I already asked the why question, if your best reply is "Why not?" and picking apart my original question/examples you must not be able to do much thinking on your own.
So you have no answer for Why not??




As for the farmers, I can't read their minds, but of the ones I've known and stories from bowhunters who aren't allowed to hunt somewhere, Yes it matters if it is a mature buck or a young one.
It matters how?.........Why would a farmer be mad if you shot 1 small-medium size buck or 1 big one. Either way his chance at THAT buck is gone. Saying that a farmer who is after big bucks would be happy to see you shoot one of them doesn't make sense.



Perhaps these hunters keep thinking about the future rather than the present.
You can't read a farmers mind but you can read a hunters mind?

Interesting.




Just as they may be more inclined to take a mature hog or steer to market rather than one only half grown.

What does that even mean??.........you're not killing a deer and giving it to the farmer.......or taking it to any market. Following that logic.........if the farmer had a hog or steer TAKEN off his farm by coyotes for example............would he be more upset if it was a mature steer or hog or if it was only half grown??




Perhaps it is because their livelyhood depends on letting crops and animals reach their full potential before harvest.

Are you talking about farming or hunting?? Unless this "farm" is a deer ranch then I don't see how his livelihood depends on how big the racks are on the deer that get killed in his woods.

Full potential of what??........The best venison you will EVER eat comes off the little buggers.......and guess what???..........farmers know that too.......that's why veal is so expensive ;)





Maybe they have the correct view?

Maybe not.






As for the Drury issue it wasn't that the hunters weren't able to follow the rules, it as that they chose not to. Big difference!
Well.....Duh!! Everybody CAN follow rules.



They had a similar mentality tosome people on this forum that no one (except maybe the government) is going to tell them what to shoot. Thus back to my original question and overall concern/advise/warning to some bowhunters who are having trouble accessing high quality hunting.
What is "high quality" hunting???




If you only shoot what is legal then you probably do not need to be involved in the discussion.
I would hope that EVERY hunter only shoots what is legal.

Handles 09-18-2006 02:14 PM

RE: What is your idea of a good solid shooter buck?
 
I mistakenly put "hunters" in for "farmers in the statement Perhaps these farmers keep thinking of the future instead of the present.
I never said I could read anyone's mind, just going off my interpretation of what I've seen or heard inmy area and trying to be helpful to others who may be openminded enough to think of others rather than themselves.

I do have an answer for"why not" atlasman, and if you had any comprehension skills you would be able tounderstandit. You however do not havean answer for my "Why" yet you try to argue just to argue, totally ignoring the real reason for my post, and more importantly the original post. It's kind of sad.



mcgeehill 09-18-2006 02:24 PM

RE: What is your idea of a good solid shooter buck?
 
one made of meat

gutshot 09-18-2006 02:28 PM

RE: What is your idea of a good solid shooter buck?
 
I consider myself neither a "meat" hunter or a "trophy" hunter I'm just a hunter. Last year I let 3 yearlings walk because the bucks were on the move and I ended up killing the biggest buck of my life that evening. But beleive me ifI hadn't known that the bucks were moving good that day one of those yearlings would've paid the price. It seems to me that hunters get way to caught up in defining what's the right size or age structure of the deer that you should kill. Let's just hunt and kill what we want at let the next guy do the same.

RTA47 09-18-2006 03:25 PM

RE: What is your idea of a good solid shooter buck?
 

It seems to me that hunters get way to caught up in defining what's the right size or age structure of the deer that you should kill. Let's just hunt and kill what we want at let the next guy do the same.
Gutshot Thats about the best anwser I herd yet!
All this argue about whats a shooter or not a shooter is getting old guys.
Shoot it if you want to?
And if you don`t let it walk.
It`s a simple matter of "freedom and choice".
Each hunter has to decide for himself if its a shooter or not?
We don`t decide for each other!


atlasman 09-18-2006 03:28 PM

RE: What is your idea of a good solid shooter buck?
 

ORIGINAL: Handles

Perhaps these farmers keep thinking of the future instead of the present.
How does you shooting a monster instead of a spike improve the farmers future?



I never said I could read anyone's mind
I know.......you said you couldn't read the farmer's mind............but then went on to tell us what the hunter's were thinking..........which lead to my comment.



others who may be openminded enough to think of others rather than themselves.
Please explain how shooting a big buck is thinking of others but shooting a small buck is not..........either way 1 buck is gone that no one else will get a chance at.




I do have an answer for"why not" atlasman, and if you had any comprehension skills you would be able tounderstandit.

You haven't answered that...........or ANY of the questions I have asked you.




You however do not havean answer for my "Why" yet you try to argue just to argue, totally ignoring the real reason for my post, and more importantly the original post. It's kind of sad.
Don't have an answer for Why???

I'll give you a couple ;)

How about because...........

I can.
It's legal.
I want to.
Meat.
No reason not to.
I feel like it.
I enjoy it.
It's hunting.
I have a broadhead that is too clean.
There is room in my truck for him.
I am hungry.
My family loves venison.
My dehydrator is empty.
My grinder is bored.
He won't hold still for a picture unless I shoot him.
It's fun.
Dragging is good excercise.
I bought a license......why not use it?
Because he is there.
I like the color red on my arrows.


Just a few off the top of my head ;)


atlasman 09-18-2006 03:29 PM

RE: What is your idea of a good solid shooter buck?
 

ORIGINAL: gutshot

I consider myself neither a "meat" hunter or a "trophy" hunter I'm just a hunter.

AMEN!!!!!!

Hunter06FlKy 09-18-2006 03:31 PM

RE: What is your idea of a good solid shooter buck?
 

ORIGINAL: atlasman

If I have a tag for it...........it's getting shot.
same here. except for fawns.

r33h 09-18-2006 03:40 PM

RE: What is your idea of a good solid shooter buck?
 

ORIGINAL: gutshot

Breathing and within bow range.:D
I agree...as long as it isn't a little fawn.


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