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RE: A hunter's stance on the WHA
What I find hypocritical......is that some of the same people who post how badly they hate the term "harvest"....will cite PETA.....and what they "might" think about a TV show.
What do you think they think about the term "Kill"? All that was trying to be conveyed .....is that it's easier in a corporate atmosphere to get things done through civil, fact-based, intelligent conversation. For this approach to hold true.....you have to LISTEN to what the other guy's saying. Why this philosophy is foreign to some is really quite a mystery, to me. There are those within our society that.....left un-checked....would make a mockery of MANY things in our life that we find sacred. So....laws were written and enacted....morals were molded....ethics determined.....and somewhere along the lines we end up with a practice/mean/method that society deems "acceptable". Along the way.....there's stumbling blocks.....there's new ideas gleaned.....there's new methods that are molded to fit within our pre-conceived "model". Will the WHA turn out to be something we can live with? I don't know. I don't really care. The NWA isn't "wrestling", either.....and I'm smart enough to discern the difference. I think the general public is just as smart as I am. Maybe you're giving this guy too much credit..........?? Jeff |
RE: A hunter's stance on the WHA
Well said.
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RE: A hunter's stance on the WHA
ORIGINAL: SBGobblers Will the WHA turn out to be something we can live with? I don't know. I don't really care. The NWA isn't "wrestling", either.....and I'm smart enough to discern the difference. I think the general public is just as smart as I am. If you don't care, stop telling everyone what they need to be doing in regards to anything. |
RE: A hunter's stance on the WHA
Wash:
You’re the king of taking people’s words and twisting them to support your way of thinking. No…..I take that back. We have a “King”. You can be “prince”, though. I just think you’re giving the WHA WAAAyyyyyyy too much clout. Let’s see…..the average viewer of the Wednesday night hunting lineup is likely already a hunter. Now….unless you’re suggesting that the WHA is gonna garner a herd of “idol” crossovers….I’d say the essence of your worrying is both a moot point (i.e. the people you’re afraid are going to see it….aren’t going to see it)…..and….it’s a moot point (i.e. the people who ARE going to see it are smart enough to take it for what it is). I’m a football fan. I’m an intelligent person. Mix the two…..and it’s not too hard to figure out what credence I gave the XFL. Now…I’m not comparing the WHA to the XFL……but let your mind wander….(or ‘wonder’…..whatever fits your situation best). Don’t you give your fellow hunter the benefit of the doubt to know if, in fact, the sky IS falling……or maybe he’s just being sprayed with confetti by one of the hot girls after ‘Bruiser’ arrows a nice 10-pointer from the Citgo, Dead Down Wind tower stand? I give the average viewer……the hunter….a little more credit. So….do I really CARE? Nope. (note to Wash:.- here’s the PERFECT opportunity to label me as a pacifist). Jeff |
RE: A hunter's stance on the WHA
So….do I really CARE? Nope. (note to Wash:.- here’s the PERFECT opportunity to label me as a pacifist) Too late. Jeff |
RE: A hunter's stance on the WHA
[quote]ORIGINAL: SBGobblers
All that was trying to be conveyed .....is that it's easier in a corporate atmosphere to get things done through civil, fact-based, intelligent conversation. For this approach to hold true.....you have to LISTEN to what the other guy's saying. Why this philosophy is foreign to some is really quite a mystery, to me. It's a mystery to me as well. Although ,you had better be careful because that may be misconstrued as 'campaigning'---campaigning for what, I'mnotquite sure, but that is what I am told. |
RE: A hunter's stance on the WHA
I have read this entire thread. WOW! There are people on here with entirely too much time for this when they should be out hunting.
I dont see the WHA as being any more of a threat to our sport as anyone else who has a TV show on the outdoor channel. I think the biggest threat to bowhunters are those who use the word "sport" to describe what we do. I like the term "way of life" better. Sport means competition, where someone has to be the winner. When I am hunting its me vs deer or whatever I may be hunting. I like to know what the board would think if a couple of brothers, will call them Mark and Terry, decided they wanted to start a new hunting show format. The idea of the show would put two man teams, ameture vs pro, ameture vs ameture, etc.., against each other for a whole hunting season to determine who is the better hunting team. They would hunt game managed ranches or their own personal property that would not have high fences but would have acres upon acres of biologic food plots which really makes fences obsolete anyway. They will implement new scouting techniques such as the wildeye video game cam that lets you monitor your hunting area 24 hours a day from the comfort of your own home to find the exact buck that could put you in front of the other teams. To appease all those who are opposed to manage hunts they will have fancy slogans like 100% wild, 100% fair chase. (thats for atlasman) (INSERT SARCASM HERE) I dont see how this is much different than what the WHA is proposing. Dont get me wrong, I like the Drury Bros. and their videos, they are great entertainment. But they, the WHA or anyone else will change bowhunting as we know it. IMHO I am going to hold off burning my sh&$ Stained BVD's for when Hillary is President BDC |
RE: A hunter's stance on the WHA
I was hoping to get back to discussing the issue, but I can see that you'd prefer to talk about yourself some more (surprise, surprise:eek:)...OK...whatever...
-campaigning for what, I'mnotquite sure, but that is what I am told. You really don't get it . I am not campaigning for anything. why don't we put together a formal list of the legitimate concerns that we have , and in writing, so that I can present them to him systematically when we meet? This would, rather than representing myself only, add more weight and expound upon the breadth of the concern that we, as a community have. What do you think? I have a lot of experience dealing with this type of scenario, and have learned how to be very poignant and blunt when necesarry, without being abrasive--at least inmy demeanor. I let the facts, truth, pertinent stats, and in this case, with a lot of input from others,numbers, even maybe in the form of a petition like preotest with factors of concern cited. I am trying to be open minded, but I am mostly trying to be able to create the environment that affords the oppurtunity to confront him face to face, whichcarries more of a weighted impact. I have an open dialogue with him which gives me an oppurtunity to voice my concerns and even have had him admit to having been short sighted in some aspects. Hey guys! Wanna hear my qualfifications? I am a business owner, a father, husband, and currently dealing with a terminally ill lfather.All of these issuesrequire a great deal of patience,tact, people skills,open heart and open minded dealings with a lot of difficult people and circumstances *Thumbs hooked in suspenders, chest puffed up*..."And if I am elected, here's my proposal..." If, I am not able to make any headway with him, and I already have, regardless of your denials, then I, as previously stated will systematically contact the sponsors and inform them of the backlash that this will have on them. I will challenge you or anyone to match my passion for hunting , soccer, my family, faith, or anything else I cherish, and certainly not in that order. What do you think motivates me to get involved to begin with? An appropriate pause to allow the women and children to dry the tears from their eyes and then... When my discussions are finished, and he shows himself unwavering inhis determination to stop the madness, I will have the credibility with the advertisers that I contact to spell out the understanding that I have gained, that I have remained open minded and fair in my asessment of the situation, and that after exhausting all possibilities that I have come to the conclusion that this has no chance of ever being anything but detrimental to the hunting tradition,with pertinent, accurate and first hand knowledge of the precipitating factors for my conclusions, Now lest you forget what my campaign is all about... I have made a suggestion, out of a spirit of cooperation with others that have concerns, to present their ideas directly to DF when I meet with him face to face. I added my thoughts on how I have developed my , personal approach to resolving difficult and serious, emotionally charged issues. It isn't something that just popped into my head, but is the result of having run a business for 23 years, raising 3 sons(which Iam still in the process), handling difficult family matters( have you ever had to confront a child molester who had repeatedly been guilty of assaulting your 8 year old neice, counsel with a neice that has 3 kids, yet has abandoned them to feed her drug habit,and then take in her son, and explain to him why his Mom has abandoned him,deal with an alcoholic family member over a several year period,be involved in a 2 1/2 year court battle over a son falsely charged with vehicular manslaughter)--shall I continue? Lol, oh I'm sure you will...:D:D:D:D:D:D:D |
RE: A hunter's stance on the WHA
Well said Jeff!!
BDC 24 post and already you know Atlas, I am impressed. I cared about the WHA when they were using drugs on deer. I fought hard to put a stop to it. I do not care at this point and time. WHA is no different then any other hunting in a cage show. Nobody watch the XFL and it went away. My guess is the WHA will fall to the same fate. manuman When you meet DF tell him to "Go pound sand" thx from Gary |
RE: A hunter's stance on the WHA
I read here more than I post.
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