I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
08-22-2006 | 06:00 PM
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RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
Okay A'man....the term "fair chase" is stupid...it's a coined phrase that people seem to over use...however...what is it that you deem "fair chase"?
Actually I misspoke...let's not use the term "fair chase" because that is what we are debating is stupid...there's no such thing as "fair chase" unless we go out there naked and take an old wily buck down bare handed....
let's just keep things legal..as sportsmen and women, we shouldn't do less.
Actually I misspoke...let's not use the term "fair chase" because that is what we are debating is stupid...there's no such thing as "fair chase" unless we go out there naked and take an old wily buck down bare handed....
let's just keep things legal..as sportsmen and women, we shouldn't do less.
08-22-2006 | 06:01 PM
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RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
ORIGINAL: davidmil
P.S. And as far as the trail cam things go, I find that they would be useless in my hunting. I hunt mostly small plots that others wander in, hunt public lands etc. MOST of us do. I see the photos you're talking about too, but if you've been paying attention, most of those pretty pictured deer are never brought to the bag by the guy with the picture.
P.S. And as far as the trail cam things go, I find that they would be useless in my hunting. I hunt mostly small plots that others wander in, hunt public lands etc. MOST of us do. I see the photos you're talking about too, but if you've been paying attention, most of those pretty pictured deer are never brought to the bag by the guy with the picture.
Not to single him out, but more as an example of what I mean, look at old Buckmagnet. He's been posting pictures of gorgeous deer on his private land for 3 years. He's yet to put an arrow in one of them. However, I think now they've gotten so over populated on the place he can't miss this fall.[8D]
]Game cams are just one of things I mentioned David.........try to see the big picture.
08-22-2006 | 06:06 PM
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RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
ORIGINAL: HAZCON7
If it is so unfair - the way our average joe bowhunter does it, then where is your state record Atlas?
If it is so unfair - the way our average joe bowhunter does it, then where is your state record Atlas?
And more fps doesn't make it easier to hit your target, it just makes you miss a little faster. ONLY practice will make it easier to hit the target.
Cmon man...........todays compounds are not hard to shoot. It isn't rocket science. Will you win Vegas???.........no..........can you kill a deer with not a ton of practice? Yes. I practice my nads off...........but do I think that I could leave my bow in the case until a few days before the season and still be lethal??......yes.
Ooooops..........the deer was 27 yards, not 20. 320 fps bow and the deer is just as dead. 220 fps and it's a miss low.
BIG difference.
08-22-2006 | 06:07 PM
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RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
ORIGINAL: James Vee
I'll be more than happy to let you shed a tear in my beer when you see my before and after pictures this year.
I'll be more than happy to let you shed a tear in my beer when you see my before and after pictures this year.
08-22-2006 | 06:10 PM
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RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer
Speaking for myself, I use a trail camera because it's fun. It's another scouting tool that may or may not aid me in harvesting an animal. I've had pictures of bucks that I have never seen and I have pictures of bucks that I've recognized immediately. It's great to have close up pictures of buck, fawns, does in the area that you would never get that close for a picture. At times, I honestly think trail cameras can be a hinderance because they can scare animals, nothing unfair about taking a deers picture is there?
I enjoy them, that is why I use them.
Then why do they use them?.
I enjoy them, that is why I use them.
08-22-2006 | 06:12 PM
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RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
ORIGINAL: mlo3135127
Most deer hunting is just plain and simple ambushing unsuspecting deer. Fair? who knows! I guess the only time it can be true fair chase is if you could tell the deer when you will be out there and what weapon you will be using. Although atlasman has some good points, I will still be out there on opening day.
Most deer hunting is just plain and simple ambushing unsuspecting deer. Fair? who knows! I guess the only time it can be true fair chase is if you could tell the deer when you will be out there and what weapon you will be using. Although atlasman has some good points, I will still be out there on opening day.
Me too!!!
08-22-2006 | 06:13 PM
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RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
The terrorists on 9/11 used their love for their god to destroy our country
Barry Bonds uses steroids to hit homeruns
My boss uses his inherrited wealth to buy what he wants and boss people around
My wife uses her looks and sweet talk to get me to do things I normally wouldn't
Life is about using advantage...if I want to use a camera and 7 dollars worth of corn to shoot a deer for the freezer I will.
Barry Bonds uses steroids to hit homeruns
My boss uses his inherrited wealth to buy what he wants and boss people around
My wife uses her looks and sweet talk to get me to do things I normally wouldn't
Life is about using advantage...if I want to use a camera and 7 dollars worth of corn to shoot a deer for the freezer I will.
08-22-2006 | 06:18 PM
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RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer
Okay A'man....the term "fair chase" is stupid...it's a coined phrase that people seem to over use...however...what is it that you deem "fair chase"?
Okay A'man....the term "fair chase" is stupid...it's a coined phrase that people seem to over use...however...what is it that you deem "fair chase"?
Why can't we just call it hunting??
I have a hard time posting a line of shooters at a bottleneck of the woods and then walking through with 20 other guys to cover every square inch of real estate and spook up every critter in sight and send them to the gauntlet where the only chance of survival is minimal at best.............and then telling someone it was a "fair chase" hunt because there was no fence. (DISCLAIMER: I just used a drive as one example. I could have used 20 other situations that would have fit just as nice. I gun hunt, always have and always will........NO OFFENSE meant to anyone.......just an example.......create your own if you wish)
Actually I misspoke...let's not use the term "fair chase" because that is what we are debating is stupid...there's no such thing as "fair chase" unless we go out there naked and take an old wily buck down bare handed....
let's just keep things legal..as sportsmen and women, we shouldn't do less.
08-22-2006 | 06:20 PM
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RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
ORIGINAL: Might Mite
The terrorists on 9/11 used their love for their god to destroy our country
Barry Bonds uses steroids to hit homeruns
My boss uses his inherrited wealth to buy what he wants and boss people around
My wife uses her looks and sweet talk to get me to do things I normally wouldn't
Life is about using advantage...if I want to use a camera and 7 dollars worth of corn to shoot a deer for the freezer I will.
The terrorists on 9/11 used their love for their god to destroy our country
Barry Bonds uses steroids to hit homeruns
My boss uses his inherrited wealth to buy what he wants and boss people around
My wife uses her looks and sweet talk to get me to do things I normally wouldn't
Life is about using advantage...if I want to use a camera and 7 dollars worth of corn to shoot a deer for the freezer I will.
I would support you every step of the way..................I just wouldn't describe it as "fair chase"