RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
 

Atlas, fairchase started long before a lot of folks on here started shooting bows. It's been a term used to describe a precieved honorable, ethical killing.[8D] I don't know if Pope and Young did it, but they used it.

RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
 

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Well good I feel the same way about some threads[8D]


To go bother someone else with your babble, LOL

Have you been scounting those button bucks this year?
I could go on a rant on how shooting fawns is not hunting, but I could careless what you shoot. Besides those little burgers are tasty!!

RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
 

Boy O' Boy--what's to come next?
Guess we'll also have to change the sport from HUNTING--to KILLING.

This is a sure way to shoot ourselves in our foot--not that individual opinions aren't worthwhile, but they can sometimes turn us in the wrong direction.
It seems to me that Atlas knows what "FAIR" chaseISN'T--yet has doubts at to what fair chase IS.

Nevertheless--for the record--the word FAIR is given as---just, equitable, in accordance with the rules.
CHASE --is hurry in pursuit, run after, pursue, also identifies an UNENCLOSED HUNTING-LAND.

RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
 

For the first time in 5 yrs we agree:D:D

The Corn and the Pictures and the corn and the pictures and the corn..............................LOL............

RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
 

ATLASquote..... I'm not accusing anyone of anything............I have no problem with the way anyone hunts.......you know that. I hunt the same way.......I just don't think I would go around advertising it as "fair chase" just because there is no chain link fence in view.

Atlas, for what it is worth, you make sense to me in some of the points you make. I just wish you would have begun with the above quote from yourself... to maybe ease into this subject without making some other hunters feel under attack. I have respect forall ethical hunters who share this sport I love. For example, did you ever try to explain a hunting scenario to a non hunter and feel like that person just could not understand your own thrill, or excitement.... just because they have never experienced it? We all have a common trhead running through us that makes us hunters. Although I agree with some of what you originally wrote, I just wish it would not have felt like such an attack to some of the others who partake in the more advanced technology items.
Myself, I hunt public land, no rangefinder, no food plot or corn on the ground, and no trail cam. Just my bow & climber.
To each their own. Good luck to you all.
DW

RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
 

This is the biggest misconception about trail cams that I think I have ever heard. Owning a trail cam does not make you Cleo. You can not predict the future. And it will not give you special powers. At best, a trail cam will tell you exactly what was there, and when it was there. Based upon those observations you can make do your best to predict when that deer will show up again, if it shows up again at all.

RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
 

No no there is black magic in those little boxes!!!

RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
 

Time for my 2 cents. I love technology just as much as the next guy, maybe more. However, I don't own a trail cam, feeder, range finder, or binoculars (besides the ones that came free w/ a Tasco scope once[8D]). I do own abow that is capableof shooting over 300 FPS and also a climbing treestand. Irrevalant to your point, I understand.

I do agree with you about the "fair chase" as we like to call it. Its never really been fair for a deer or any other animal if you think about. We have always outwitted (attempted to at least) animals since the beginning of time.

I hunt because my father introduced me to the sport (and yes, its a sport) and because I enjoy to do so.

Hunting will never be fair chase and I don't believe it ever has been.:)

Ducky out...

RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
 

Atlas... man... I gotta hand it to ya, nobody starts a barn-burner like you do.... I thought I was never gonna reach the end of this one.....

If you really want to take this down to it's roots (man vs. beast w/ no tools), is it fair of a lioness to use her claws and jaws to take down a wildebeast? or cheetah to run down it's prey with it's 60mph speeds? Every beast on earth uses it's God-given tools for it's survival and it's hunting(for predators). We have no sharp teeth(accept those guys on TV with the grinded down fangs... ) no claws(accept the women with the 3 inch long fingernails), and when compared to animals we have no speed.Our intellect is the only significant tool we have to be on anywhere near a level playing field with these critters. Our ability to learn, pattern, and track these animals is no different from our abibility to apply our intellect to tools to kill these animals.

Short answer, as long as I'm getting skunked while hunting over a feeder, I see no reason to accept it as not being fair-chase.

All that said I understand that our methods are not the subject of arguement, but the terms used to describe them... How bout this, call it what ever you want.

Fair or unfair, the deer still taste delicious, and I will continue to eat them. Just like any other predator.

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I agree that the term Fair Chase is used very loosely. Many of the tactics and gadgets we use add to the already unfair advantage we have. I am just glad the deer can't carry and fire a weapon [:-].

I think it is laughable when hunters use all of this that and the other and kill a big ole buck and suddenly they are the king of the woods:eek:. The great white hunter huh? Then they use what they have killed (x number of P/Y Bucks for example) tovalidate there arguments and knowledgearguments all over this website.

Hunting is not fair for the deer. The deer have no idea what fair is. All they know is eat, breed, fight sleep, and survive. All of the gadgets we buy and use are designed to make it easier to KILL a deer. It's almost impossible to guage how "skilled" a hunter actually is anymore. Fair Chase hunting is really an oxymoron when you think about it.