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tsoc 08-19-2006 10:10 AM

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I received my september copy of Outdoor Life this morning and there is a feature article about the WHA and it's founder David Farbman.I suggest that everyone get their hands on the issue and read the article!
There is nothing about the article that changes my mind in the least in fact just the reverse! It is much more repulsive,calculating and evil than I was aware of previously!
A paragraph from the article. "Farbmans hunters will be marketed like pro wrestlers.Brett "The dark archer" Hankins,scent specialist Karl "the doctor" Zanitzer and Joey Menegatti ("The Cowboy") are three of a projected eight-man WHA roster of competitors.Farbman sees the hunters as colorful celebrities awaiting their individual cult followings.End of paragraph.
Is this demented or what?David Farbman is also quoted as saying "I didn't come to do this as a venture.I did it because I believe it is God's vision,and we are going to carry it out."
There is also reference to beautiful "WHA ladies" to spice up the scenery.
If any true hunter isn't absolutely incensed at this load of horses--t than there is something deeply wrong.This is absolutely perverse,offensive and disgusting!!! I hope it fails miserably!!! I for one will not watch one episode,I do fear that many of us will be drawn to it like moths to a flame just out of shock and disbelief.I will actively participate in any and allcampaigns to ban any of the sponsors of the WHA.Chuck Sykes from the management advantage will be one of the first on the list because he is slated to be the WHA's lead biologist.
I am so angry about this I am surprised that I can articulate these things at all!
Two last thoughts Huntingnet is mentioned in the article,a member Luke Strommen is quoted in the article,Luke represented us well! Thanks Luke!
Lastly David Farbman is depicted as an extremely motivated individual who is not used to failing.I say we do everything we can to make sure this is one endeavor that he doesn't win!
If the beauty of the outdoors and the thrill of the hunt isn't enough of an inspiration for some one toparticipate in hunting,I would rather see hunting die a dignified death,rather to be prostituted in this way!!!!

jmbuckhunter 08-19-2006 10:20 AM

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This will be interesting. It seems like he has done his homework, wrestling has a huge following and we all know what happens when a good looking lady posts a picture on this site. things seem to light up.Hope he fails miserably tho. he will get no support from me.

Rob/PA Bowyer 08-19-2006 11:59 AM

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Well we all said this wasn't going to go away lightly..keep the good fight and remember, if your not part of the solution, your part of the problem...

Washington Hunter 08-19-2006 12:35 PM

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I read the article too.

My physical therapist just happened to have the newest issue in his office the other day.

The thing that suck out most to me was a quote Farbman said, it went something like this;

"Are we doing this for the money? Yes. Shoot me. But that isn't what this is really about."

And then there was another that I don't quite recall, but it was something along the lines of that the WHA is somehow God's plan.

Perhaps someone with the article themselves could correct me on these and post the actual quotes, as they have somewhat more of an impact than what I've tried to remember.

All I can say is that I dislike the WHA and Farbman even more now. God's plan? To put money in Farbman's pocket? Please, give me a break.

nodog 08-19-2006 04:24 PM

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"There is also reference to beautiful "WHA ladies" to spice up the scenery."

Bound to be a success then! As for me I wouldn't be interested. I am no dog to be led around by the leash in my pants! That tactic in itself looses me in a heart beat.

HAZCON7 08-24-2006 05:56 PM

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I just got my copy of Outdoor Life this evening and read the article - better late than never I suppose. And even though the darting aspect of the article may no longer be valid I was repulsed to read something new....

They are going to be GPS tracking some of the deer (hmmm the biggest ones perhaps?)

I also found the title of the article quite funny given the recent thread from our own stubborn megalomaniac - titled "Unfair Chase" :D

Washington Hunter 08-24-2006 07:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: HAZCON7

I just got my copy of Outdoor Life this evening and read the article - better late than never I suppose. And even though the darting aspect of the article may no longer be valid I was repulsed to read something new....

They are going to be GPS tracking some of the deer (hmmm the biggest ones perhaps?)

I also found the title of the article quite funny given the recent thread from our own stubborn megalomaniac - titled "Unfair Chase" :D
I wonder how they plan on tracking the animals via GPS now that they are no longer being drugged?

It was my understanding that the GPS tracking devices would be attatched to the projectile with the drugs on it. One of their biggest concerns was the fact that the projectiles may fall out of the animals after the shot thus rendering the devices all but useless.

Do they plan on tagging the deer beforehand and only tracking their movements after the shot, or will they eliminate the GPS tracking all together?

Your thoughts?

HAZCON7 08-24-2006 07:35 PM

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It was my understanding that the GPS tracking devices would be attatched to the projectile with the drugs on it.
Thats what I understood also but according to the article, they plan to GPS tag some of the deer "providing laptop monitoring for the WHA's targeted youth audience."

Washington Hunter 08-24-2006 08:40 PM

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Chances are now they'll tag all the deer.

One step closer to making them livestock rather than wild animals.

Greg / MO 08-24-2006 08:43 PM

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tsoc, I am going to include this thread among those links grouped together in my post.

Very, very disgusting, to put it plainly. And remember how Washington Hunter called out one of the Farbman plants in our dialogue when I used a religious analogy to make a point? That posteracted like he didn't want to hear or see anything linked to religion -- even if it was just an analogy to make a point. WH nailed him on it right away, and rightly so -- especially after hearing this idiot Farbman trot out this "visionary" concept.

Guys, we have indeed won some battles -- and I've been proud to have been on the front lines with you. But... there is still a war to be fought.

davidmil 08-24-2006 08:45 PM

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All he needs to complete his herd of misfits is a Crotchetty Old Fart Non-Moderator.[&:][8D]

Washington Hunter 08-24-2006 08:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: Greg / MO

tsoc, I am going to include this thread among those links grouped together in my post.

Very, very disgusting, to put it plainly. And remember how Washington Hunter called out one of the Farbman plants in our dialogue when I used a religious analogy to make a point? That posteracted like he didn't want to hear or see anything linked to religion -- even if it was just an analogy to make a point. WH nailed him on it right away, and rightly so -- especially after hearing this idiot Farbman trot out this "visionary" concept.

Guys, we have indeed won some battles -- and I've been proud to have been on the front lines with you. But... there is still a war to be fought.
Greg, you're absolutely right. The war is far from over.

I won't be satisfied until the WHA is a thing of the past, and as it stands now it is still a very big problem we have to deal with.

Until we can refer to Farbman's vision in the past tense, I won't be happy.

gzg38b 08-24-2006 08:49 PM

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A link to the Outdoor Life articles:

http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/hunting/article/0,19912,1290970-1,00.html

Washington Hunter 08-24-2006 09:00 PM

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This is taken directly from the article;

“I think you’re going to see real changes in the way the world will look at hunting,” says Farbman, who imagines hunting trips for kids, women and the physically challenged. “Are we here to make a profit?” he asks. “Yes—shoot me. But that’s not the objective. This is to build the whole industry and to raise the image of hunters.”

Well at least I can agree with Farbman on one thing -- this will definitely change the way the world will look at hunting. Too bad thats about as far as the agreeing goes. This is going to pervert our sport, its going to be nothing more than another reality TV, pay-per-view, stereotypical, drama fest.

It honestly makes me sick to think that this may really be allowed to happen.

The second biggest thing I had a problem with was this;

“I didn’t come to do this as a venture,” he says, shifting to thoughts that the WHA is inspired by a higher calling. “I did it because I believe it’s God’s vision, and we’re going to carry it out.”

Again, God's vision? Give me a break. Show me in the bible where God said unto Abraham, let the animals be killed for monetary gain. Makes me want to puke. [:'(]

Greg / MO 08-24-2006 10:16 PM

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This is to build the whole industry and to raise the image of hunters.”
I think this is what it all boils down to for me. I've seen fellow HNI posters ask why I see this differently (the question was posed to the general populace) than some of the other events already in existence (e.g., Drury's Dream Season, etc.). This quote, as posted above by WH, sums up what irritates me so greatly.

Are there other high-fence hunting operations? Yes. Do other shows sometimes have a competitive format? Again, yes. Is there money or fame to be gained? Possibly.

Here's the difference:

THEY DON'T CLAIM TO BE THE SAVIOUR OF OUR SPORT AND INSIST ON SPEAKING FOR ME AND THE REST OF MY HUNTING COMMUNITY BRETHREN!!

Doing so mandates that I place this Farbman character under a microscope and examine his intentions, and I don't like anything he stands for or proposes.

Anthony T. 08-24-2006 10:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: Greg / MO


This is to build the whole industry and to raise the image of hunters.”
I think this is what it all boils down to for me. I've seen fellow HNI posters ask why I see this differently (the question was posed to the general populace) than some of the other events already in existence (e.g., Drury's Dream Season, etc.). This quote, as posted above by WH, sums up what irritates me so greatly.

Are there other high-fence hunting operations? Yes. Do other shows sometimes have a competitive format? Again, yes. Is there money or fame to be gained? Possibly.

Here's the difference:

THEY DON'T CLAIM TO BE THE SAVIOUR OF OUR SPORT AND INSIST ON SPEAKING FOR ME AND THE REST OF MY HUNTING COMMUNITY BRETHREN!!

Doing so mandates that I place this Farbman character under a microscope and examine his intentions, and I don't like anything he stands for or proposes.
Here, here!Well put, master jedi. :)

Germ 08-24-2006 10:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: Greg / MO


This is to build the whole industry and to raise the image of hunters.”
I think this is what it all boils down to for me. I've seen fellow HNI posters ask why I see this differently (the question was posed to the general populace) than some of the other events already in existence (e.g., Drury's Dream Season, etc.). This quote, as posted above by WH, sums up what irritates me so greatly.

Are there other high-fence hunting operations? Yes. Do other shows sometimes have a competitive format? Again, yes. Is there money or fame to be gained? Possibly.

Here's the difference:

THEY DON'T CLAIM TO BE THE SAVIOUR OF OUR SPORT AND INSIST ON SPEAKING FOR ME AND THE REST OF MY HUNTING COMMUNITY BRETHREN!!

Doing so mandates that I place this Farbman character under a microscope and examine his intentions, and I don't like anything he stands for or proposes.
If I could I would give you a HRAOP award!!!!

GMMAT 08-25-2006 08:01 AM

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Hey guys.....I agree that our sport is sort of a sanctuary. Maybe we don't want our life's passion to be treated like other sports. Maybe.

But.....playing devil's advocate.....

There's likely people who feel JUST as passionately about the sport of football.....as we do about ours. If you treat "hunting" like a "sport"......then what's the difference if you have cheerleaders or not? Crowds?? Glamour????

"I" (now, me personally) think the problem "I" have is that I don't view hunting as a "sport". It's MUCH deeper/more spiritual/more lifestyle than that, for "Me". In that regard (and in that regard, only)....do I have a problem with what Farbman's doing. There's likely a LOT of people that aren't into hunting.....that may want to try it after seeing this show (remember all the golfers that Tiger inspired??????). Do we want all of them in our "sport"? I can' tanswer that one for you.

Just a different way to look at it.

Jeff

statjunk 08-25-2006 12:06 PM

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Who are the current sponsors of WHA? That seems to be the only way that we can combate this ridiculous idea.

Lets keep the letters flowing!

Tom

NY/Al 08-25-2006 01:30 PM

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what gets me is how he criticizes boone and crockett andthe ideas of "big deer contests" at deer camps, its not like were playin for hundreads of thousands of dollars there plus if one guy shoots a nice 8 point im certainly not goin to pass up a smaller deer just to try to win or get my name in some book, a trophy is a trophy to the guy who gets it, i hunt had as many days as possible and i'll be damn proud of a smaller 6 point i shoot on the last day regardless

TxStarr 08-25-2006 02:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: SBGobblers

Hey guys.....I agree that our sport is sort of a sanctuary. Maybe we don't want our life's passion to be treated like other sports. Maybe.

But.....playing devil's advocate.....

There's likely people who feel JUST as passionately about the sport of football.....as we do about ours. If you treat "hunting" like a "sport"......then what's the difference if you have cheerleaders or not? Crowds?? Glamour????

"I" (now, me personally) think the problem "I" have is that I don't view hunting as a "sport". It's MUCH deeper/more spiritual/more lifestyle than that, for "Me". In that regard (and in that regard, only)....do I have a problem with what Farbman's doing. There's likely a LOT of people that aren't into hunting.....that may want to try it after seeing this show (remember all the golfers that Tiger inspired??????). Do we want all of them in our "sport"? I can' tanswer that one for you.

Just a different way to look at it.

Jeff
Hunting is NOT a sport. Period. It is not glamorous (where is the glamour in getting up before the b*tt crack of dawn and freezing important parts off?). There are no cheerleaders. And I, for one, don't want to be in the woods with someone who starts hunting for the glamour and the cheerleaders because they will get bored with the reality of hunting fast. Do you really want a bored ARMED person who may or may not be responsible enough to have paid attention in hunter's ed. out in the woods when you are hunting? What happens when they are fast off the draw so to speak and end up shooting someone because they were bored and it sounded like a deer? Don't say this couldn't happen because my friend (actually, my dad's best friend and my second dad) has been in a wheel chair, paralyzed from the neck down, for 33 years because HIS friend/hunting buddy was bored and thought my friend was a deer. And his best friend had grown up hunting! Imagine someone who goes into it looking for glamour and excitement and cheerleaders ...

I understand you want to be openminded and see the other side of the argument. Personally the other side of the argument ends abruptly for me when hunting is compared to football and it is suggested that women in skimpy clothes are needed.

Shannon

s. il. hntr 08-25-2006 06:33 PM

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WHA seems to keepinsisting that they will bring new hunters to the "sport"[:@]. Well lets think about this for a minute. Just what kind of person do you all feel will be recruited(sp) by WHA? Well, I'll tell you. Were going to end up with a bunch of the hip-hop sort of crowd. Sold on the prizes and cheerleaders, yeah all the glitz and glam. These will be the worst type of "hunters". They won't know their firearms safety, complete lack of traditional hunting values, and only be in it for the biggest buck.I totally agree with the pro wrestling analogy posted above>


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