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Has anyone noticed how much different the new WHA website is? It mentions NOTHING about non-fatal hunting, tranquiling animals, etc. It mentions nothing about the hundreds of thousands of dollars in prize money. It doesn't show the guy dreaming about the mansion, the sports car, and the blondes as he's at full draw with a blunt tipped arrow. It doesn't remind me of the WWF anymore. The new website shows kids playing on the living room floor,aguy in a wheelchair going hunting,guys shooting their bowin the backyard, and people talking about how they got into hunting as a kid. Farbman must have hired one helluva PR firm.

Nothing will ever make me forget what these clowns are all about.He's laying low, cleaning up his image, and hoping that all of the controversygoes away as bow season approaches.

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Rob...you do come up with some killer smilies.

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Awesome smilie, Rob!! :D

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The disabled guy is from Salem, Indiana and his brother is in my Sunday School class. WHA has dropped the darting and the hunters have been informed they will be using their own gear. So, now the format is kind of a BASS version of ranch hunting (the same ranches you see on TOC, The Men's Channel and ESPN every day). Guess the only thing that's different from other shows now is the BASS type format.

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I guess this just got a LOT more expensive (overhead) for the WHA. I mean.....who's gonna pay for all of those ranch bucks?

Jeff

I'm wondering if they get the price list before they go to stand??????

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All that's changed is that it's gone from the ridiculously repulsive to the just plain repulsive , and it's still something that reflects badly on traditional hunting and should not be supported by reputable sportsmen . Shooting livestock for money at canned abbatoirs is not something any of us should want to be associated with . [:'(]

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Rob said it all...

The BASS format and high fence ranches makes me ill, but at least it's something remotelysimlar hunting now. I still hate it and still will not support it or it's sponsors. [:'(]

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I'm not into fishing, what is the BASS format? Do they stock the lake with BASS or something?

Tom

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Tournement fishing for Largemouth bass. Heaviest limit of fish wins.

Basically my.... fish... is bigger than yours.....

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By BASS format, that means certain areas are for certain hunters on a given day, then they rotate on subsequent days. The BASS fishermen do the same thing with fishing holes.

As for high-fence, it is what it is. On a very large ranch some animals never see a fence. On very small ones the herd can not be sustained in natural ways so animals are trucked in. I'd say most you see on television are large enough the herds are self-sustaining. I've hunted on archery-only ranches and had my butt kicked by elusive and hard-to-hunt exotics. In fact, I hunted an archery-only ranch in Texas back in may with 7 other seasoned hunters and we took - as a group - ZERO exotics for the 4-day hunt. All high fence is not the same. The 777 ranch down the road basically ties them up for you - that was not my experience where we hunted. I seriously doubt the ranches these guys hunt will be penned animals because there must be some degree of difficulty else everyone would tie.

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At least in BASS they're fishing "fair chase" and not in a heavily stocked pay-per pound pond!

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No, actually it's a good analogy. A large enough ranch is like a lake - large and the fish can't get away. The fish are self-sustaining - no stocking, just like a large ranch is self-sustaining with no stocking. Actually the model fits quite well.

Those poor fish don't stand a chance in that tiny little lake - LOL.

Ever hunt a 40,000 acre ranch with a fence around it? Try it if your ego can handle it.

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Most will argue that high fences are to control whats on the outside, not whats on the inside....

As for the WHA, DruryBros,or any other hunting competition; I think that its best they stay in fences and not infringe upon hunting opportunities on public and private lands or the quality of hunting by regularly licensed hunters....I mean seriously, I would be pissed if some competition was being held on a property that bordered my hunting spots.

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Here's what I'd like to know......

Are we going to see some HIGHLY unethical shots/behavior......due to the fact that $$ are involved?

And......with prizes (money/fame/etc...) on the line....what's so different than what the Drury boys are doing (other than the fair-chase issue)?

Jeff

Just wondering....

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That is an excuse. The reality IS that fences are to hold animals from leaving the property and being shot by someone else...plain and simple....

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at least they wont get ran over by your car

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The difference lies in the fact that on Dream Season, the winner is decided by viewers votes ala American Idol. Basically, which team did the viewers enjoy watching most, ie who makes the best videos/story. Actually a pretty good litmus test for who will be better on your videos.... and a better representation and presentation of why we hunt. (the stories, the experience, the comeraderie, etc etc..)

WHA is based solely on size of trophy. Still by far NOT the message we need to be using to attract new hunters... Hunting Ethics is not to be used as some PR Dogma.Ethics needs to be fundamentally taught as a foundation upon which all things, not just hunting, are based. That's where alothas beenlost in our society in general. The WHA is just a resulting disease of that genetic mutation.

As far as the high fence issue.... If I'm fishing in a land locked lake like Lake Sam Rayborn in east TX (114, 500 acres of water), am I gauranteed to catch a fish? (Granted I catch fish there more often than not)... Since the fish only have so far to run before they reach land....... Just because it's high fence doesn't mean its canned, but doesnt mean it's easy or hard either... Our place is 1700 acres low fenced in the Tx hillcoutry. Very very rarely does anyone in our family go without venison because they didn't see a deer. If so it's because they chose not to shoot. If we fed minerals and food plots and got really strict on management we could probably have some really nice deer, but we're still low-fenced... so we must be ethical right? Guys, high-fence or lowfence either one can be unethical depending on how it is hunted and managed. Just because it is high-fenced...... there are loads of other circumstances is all I'm trying to say.....

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When did they begin this practice? It wasn't this way, last season.

Jeff

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Davoh - you are right, totally depends on the operation.

High fence, Low fence, or No fence...

Being a Texas boy, you probably know better than anyone that fences are not all that bad on the right ranch run by the right ranchers

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Gobblers... As far as I knew it's always been this way.... I know for a factyou vote on the dreamseason website for your favorite team. Wether or not this is how the winner is chosen, *shrugs* I'm not sure. I would think it has some baring, maybe not on the outcome, but on some aspect.

Nix.... Actually, I have no experience with high-fence operations... All I've ever hunted was our family spread out on the Edwards Plateau, and a few patches of logging woods in East Texas. But I do know there's a difference between a 100 acre holding pen, and 10,000 acre wide open ranch. If the ranch is larger than the deer's home range, and they do not overstock beyond the land's natural carrying capacity, the high-fence may not have the negative impact everyone here seems to suggest. I won't go into the whole "breeding stock" concept. A little too playing God for me....

The fact is, most high fence places in texas, with the exception of YO and King ranch, are 1000 acres or less. It is nearly impossible to find multiple thousand acre spreads here now... The "subdivide land and multiply profit" mentality is taking over the agricultural lands now too.

HOWEVER... I will never hunt a high-fence property.

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Davoh:

Best I remember.....the Drury boys and the folks from Robinson (Scent Blocker) picked the winners, last season.

Jeff