gzg38b

There are some types ofhunting that we should be trying to stop. For example:
- Poaching
- Canned Hunts
- WHA
- Unethical types of hunting (ie non fair chase, killing for horns and letting the meat spoil, etc)
- Illegal hunting
- Over-Hunting if it threatens the survival of the species
- Anything that damages theperception of hunters in the minds of the general public.

As hunters we need to regulate ourselves for the good of the sport as a whole. If we can't be self-regulating, THEY will do it for us and I guarantee you don't want that.

MichiganArcher

The way I see it, to each his own. Can I afford to hunt in high fences? Absolutely, but do I? NO. That is my decision though. If thats what charges a guys battery than so be it. I do get a kick out of some of todays programming, but it's not like it sends me over the edge with anger. I merely laugh and enjoy the humor. I totally agree about keeping kids interest by seeing game. T.V. does really need a hunter that chases game in the wild though, I must agree. For me personally however, the day I start hunting in fenced areas is the day I will hang up my bow. That's just me.

manuman

You have got to be kidding me! According to your logic, I'm supposed to support rape, child molestation, child pornography, etc. because if I come out against it, then I am against sex in any setting!!!!! Uh---try again!!!!You have to do away with the illegitimate and not confuse it with teh legitimate--that in no way jeopardizes the whole shooting match. In fact, it protects it from its demise by regaining a proper perspective!!!!

Champlain Islander

I really wish the TV sat channels and or HNI in it's advertising would take a stand against this type of false programming. They portray the shows as actual hunting conditions but with one small omission...they are not fair chase. The old timers realize that what is shown is nothing more than stagedkilling in front of a camera using captive animals. That stuff sells because they are all doing it but I chose tonot watch. I believe it sends the wrong message and the whole point of hunting is lost. I don't believe hunting as we know it is dead Zarbecause there are still people around who practice the craft like they were taught so many years ago. Will it stay that way for my kids generation...probably not. It seems the kids are more interested in MP3 players, gameboys and sat tv depicting hunting as their way to enjoy free time.

burniegoeasily

I see this all the time, I even prescribed to this logic for years. That would be until I made the rational that PETA dont care. Death to an animal in any way is what they are after. My non hunting friends dont care if a hunt is canned or not. Canned hunts=ranching. And all the non hunters I know feel the same way. Nothing worse than raising cows, pigs, chickens, etc.. An anti is anti no matter what the situation is. We are the only ones who fight about canned or not. I have not seen one Peta member make a distinctionor place any magnitude on canned or "fair chase". As much as I hate to admite it, I know many Peta members, and have not seen them make any distinctions on animal death. Death is death to them, period.


So like I had mentioned, lets all keep fighting about it and sink our own ships. Ill never do it, but im not going to fight with someone else about it. That to me adds more fuel to the Peta band waggon. Ever heared of, divide and defeat. We are doing the dividing, they will do the defeating.

manuman

Hey Burnie--it's been a while! I want to ask you te rethink that rationale a moment.PETA and all other antis comined are just under the numbers of totalhunters. The vast majority of people are the nonhunting public. I had an incident today that reflects their attitude ,in every instance that I have encountered them,and I do on a regular basis. I am a landscape contractor and consequently, because of many gated communities I work in, deer damage to plants becomes an issue. Thus the opening for these discussions. From S Georgia, to S Carollina, to N georgia whereI now live it has been the same. I have yet to encounter a true anti hunter. They say that they are, but once the discussion opens, they reluctantly admit to the necessity of some type of controlled population control, and then most will even condescend to admitting that a controlled bowhunt would be 'acceptible', under close scrutiny. Once this becomes exposed, I will mentionthat I hunt and that hunting is not a sport, not simply and only about antlers, and that , although itis no longer necesarry for survival that it is still very much a part of the makeup of many that still enjoy the challenge of going in the wild to bring home some meat , and to pursue hunting as a part of their lifestyle, and everything that is involved with it on a legitimate level. I have yet to have one say that they can't accept this approach, but 99.9% will always say that they are adamantly opposed to trophy hunting, as some define it--meaning that those that allow themselves to lose sight of the value and lose sight of the sensitivity that it is about the death of animal with dignity and should be given more consideration than how big a set of antlers the deer has. They always say, oh yeah, I have an uncle, brother, etc. that hunts and I don't mind if they are doing it for the meat--but. Today, I had a convo with the head of security with Coosawattee River Resort, and she mentioned the road hunters, and those that shoot the 'pets' that are in the confines of this community. One of the residents chimed in and voiced his disgust of the same. Both cited the fact that they were not wild or free ranging, according to them. This place has no fences, and covers thousands of acres,yet they see it as not real hunting within the community, and frankly--it isn't. The target of these 'hunters'? Big bucks. The resident mentioned a big 8 point that he had seen near his property, and that someone killed it, and that there was a big 12 point there now that he would 'zealously protect',yet the distinction of hunting inthe wild didn't bother them. There is a distinction , and there is a right way and a wrong way, and hunting needs to be reestablished as actually hunting inthe truest sense, and the emphasis made to be above board and lawful inevery regard. Not only lawful, but ethical,because there are several practices tah are allowed that aren't ethical. We don't need to become divided, butwe do need to cooperate and to agree on what the tradition is and should be all about, so that the state doesn't have to step in and do it for us.
Also, your assment of PETA is a little off base. It was them ora group that is similar to teh SPCA that was found out to have been systematically destroying the over population of animals tha they were 'rescuing'. Seems that they , behind closed doors, came to the conclusion that there can be too many, and that they still have to be put down--KILLED! What is at issue is that this has to be instilled in people's minds that populations do need regulating and that hunting is a very legitimate means, and that the skill is still alive and well , regardless of its necessity for our survival. It is necesrry for the survival of the animals! How it is done becomes the absolute most important factor--and high fences,etc isn't going to convince any of the nonhunting public that they are legitimate means of control.

Champlain Islander

I view anything that is bad for the sport of hunting as detrimental to it’s existence. Canned hunting and WHA are the same IMO. Shortcuts and deviant ways to call ones self a hunter. Same as web killing via a camera. Disgusting examples which some consider hunting but to me aren't anything more than someone selling out and throwing all ethics and morals out for a few bucks. In addition…people or businesses that promote that type of behavior are no better.

davewoodrum

I don't get into the "ranch hunting" thing... to me that's just some pampered, rich guy's way of going out and hunting an easy trophy beast so he can mount it and look like "one of the boys", but better at it...
there's no competition in that, no challenge, no nature, no talent...

burniegoeasily

manuman
I understand what you are saying, but from my part of the world, things are viewed differently. I live in cattle country, so that might make a big difference in how the public views things. Im on a committee that is in the process of addressing the over population of deer in a local state park.
This committee is made up of every walk of life. All the hunters and nonhunters are pushing for opening bow season in the park. The nonhunters are even for trapping and killing X amount of deer each year. The only thing that has got us in a strangle hold is the few Peta members who are on the committee as well. They want to bait with birth controle, or leave them to their own demise. Another suggestion, which was brought up by the nonhunting members of this committee, was to trap the deer and sell them to canned operations down south. The revenue would go to park improvements. Im not sure on the legality of that suggestion, that is probably why it has not made much ground. When the canned hunting issue comes up, no one objects except the Peta/Alf members. I have not seen one person oppose the pin operations. [/align][/align][/align]Im simply posting on my experience, and things are apparently different where you go. Like I mentioned, I have never seen a debate about canned operations other than on message boards. Her in Texas, most of the towns near the canned operations really like the revenue the hunters bring into the surrounding towns, not to mention the tax base. yea, a canned operation is meant for the lazy person who wants a quick trophy, but the towns people don't care, they like to earn money to feed their kids. [/align][/align][/align]

manuman

Burnie, I know the argument that you are encountering. The drugging and releasing ends up causing a high percentage of the animals to die from the shock. Consequently, why ,one reson, that the WHA concept is ill fated. You can also point to the hypocrisy of teh PETA crowd with their cavalier attitude of just letting them die, and they will--slow, dreadful diseased, parasite filled, deaths. Very humane. Also, the meat is wasted, and entire herds have been lost in some regions due to overpopulation leading to this very scenario. Second, the justification via teh revenue gained doesn't fly either. Ends does not justify the means. Casinos, and gambling revenues are used to build schools--at the expense of many addicted, and victimized 'get rich quick' mentalities, and teh false hope of getting something for nothing as opposed to the long range benefit of teaching people to work hard and save money, and to invest wisely. For every big lotto winner, there are literally millions of losers. Some kids lunch money went to purchase that 'easy street' winning ticket.