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And for the record....I didn't take a bad shot. I couldn't draw the arrow back. WB was too noisy.

Jeff

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Like I (and others) have answered you numerous times before.........I am not calling you a liar. I just think you are wrong (mistaken) about what you believe spooked that deer. This is based on everything you have told us about the situation and my personal experience with the same products you are talking about.




I have 4 college degrees and my job doesn't suck either..........neither does my sight or hearing.



How many with a bow?

This quote by you is confusing given the above statement.


If you told me that Bigfoot scared away your deer would I have to agree with you because I wasn't there?


Nope............haven't seen one hear it yet. One of the deer I killed was at 13 FEET and he didn't hear it.


I don't hunt with my cousins...........and you make it sound like I am the only person telling you this :eek:

ANY time someone starts a WB thread you mention a perceived noise issue (by you) Why do you do this?? Because that is your experience (perceived) right?? Why is it OK for YOU to CONSTANTLY express YOUR opinion..........but when someone else does the same thing you get all bent out of shape over it.

What do you want me to say??..........I am just telling the truth. The WB is not noisey. If you set it up properly it won't damage your vanes (I even went so far as to do a backyard experiment with pictures to show this in the technical forum).......speed loss is a non issue and it is as accurate as anyone here is capable of being. Those are all facts..........sorry you don't agree..........it doesn't change the facts.

No different then if someone posted that Magnus Stingers were dull out of the package......or Summit stands were poorly made........or Bowtech was a slow bow..........none of those are true in all my experiences with those products and if I saw any of those things said I would post in disagreement.



What an unbelievably hypocritical thing to say considering you started this post by insulting me with your line about your error being so obvious even I got it

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Kidd,

Glad you like the Whisker Biscuit. It's a great rest, I have used it since they came out. I started out with the all black bristle model and have since upgraded to the newer style when they came out. The older style (all black) was a little harder on vanes and needed to be "tweeked" to get good results.

This, I believe is where most of the bad stories of having to trim and slowing of arrows started from. While the old style was good the newer style is simpley fantastic. It's IMO by far the most reliable rest on the market today. Once set up and dialed in you never have to worry about it again. When I change strings I just make sure my nocking point is the same as it was on the old string and I'm good to go again. No need to worry about little pull cables or how fast it needs to drop depending on how fast your bow is...it doesn't matter.

As far as freezing, it's a non issue. I know there is a spray that you can use but I have never needed it. I have hunted in a snow storm and my arrow started to build up with ice and the buscuit was just fine. I have also had no fletching damage at all once I purchased the correct size opening for the arrows I was shooting.

This whole noise issue has been blown WAY WAY out of proportion. Does the rest make noise when you draw? Yes,I can hear a slightsoundof my arrow being drawn.Do some arrows make more noise than others? Yes, my BemanICS 340Camo Hunters are pretty quiet though. Are any of them loud enough to spook deer when hunting, even with the closest of shots? In my opinion....NO. Like I said I can hear my arrow being drawn but I'm an arms length away from it. I havehad friends stand close and they never heard a thing. I can tell you this, on them cold crisp mornings, my clothes make way more noise than my bow does when I draw....fleese and all!

My old prong rest made more noise when I drew back than the Whisker Biscuit does and I never worried about it or had a deer spook on me when Ihunted with that rest.

Go out,hunt and enjoy the rest, it will be oneless thing on your mind when thatdeer steps out in your lane.

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I love the WB also! :Dalso love reading the arguments about them ;)

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BTW Atlas....there's ANOTHER thread on the front page about the WB noise (and I didn't even post).

There's nothing confusing about the quote you used above. If so...What?

I don't mind AT ALL that you express your opinion about the WB. What I DO find OFFENSIVE is you telling me what put my deer on alert, that morning.....when only he and I were there. I'll ask you this.....COULD IT HAVE BEEN THE NOISE FROM THE WB THAT PUT MY BUCK ON ALERT?

I'm sorry....."If" you concede that it "could have been"......you can always fall back on the fact that no one (other than your circle) is qualified to set them up properly.....and that may have been the cotributing factor (either that or my bow shop professional's equal ineptness).

I would NEVER tell you that your rest didn't or Couldn't have caused you a shot at a deer. THAT....is just offensive....and you know it.

But....who am I to argue with someone with 4 college degrees (I'm assuming one each in WB, engineering, Offensive literature and fiction).

Jeff

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Oh yeah.....I caught the first sailfish I ever hooked up with.
I caught the first Cobia I ever hooked up with.
I caught the first Bull Dolphin I ever hooked up with.
I limited on wood ducks (4) the first time I ever duck hunted (at 20 yrs old).
I've fished in Canada.......hunted in Mexico, Argentina,Arkansas, SC, NC, VA, WV, GA, NE, SD.
I've flyfished in too many places to count.
I've trained retrievers (still have 2).....and been members of just about every hunting or fishing organization known to man......

But I've never had someone be so arrogant as to tell me what happened (or didn't) happen to me in the woods.....from several states away. That's what you're doing.

Jeff

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Just for sh&ts and giggles....I went to tthe Carolina Archery Products website. Evidently.....there's a "few" people that have had issues with WB noise. Enough for them to post a section on their website that reads as follows:

Tuning-Tips
My arrows make noise during the draw, how can I quiet them down?: There are many types of arrows on the market. Some are more quiet than others. Here is what we know about making an arrow draw quietly through the rest:
[ul][*]Carbon arrows with a smooth finish are the quietest. Beman Hunters are very quiet as are the Easton Carbon arrows. Rough carbon arrows will be noisy at first, but after shooting them many times, they become more quiet. You will find that even the noisiest arrows will become very quiet after several hundred shots.[*]Shafts can be smoothed slightly by rubbing with very fine steel wool.[*]Large diameter aluminum arrows (24XX-25XX) are very noisy. They are very sensitive to dust, and abrasion.[*]Camouflaged aluminum arrows are noisier than solid color arrows.[*]If the biscuit fits tightly around the arrow, the noise will be substantially increased. A loose fit that allows light to be seen over the arrow when it is mounted on the bow will give the quietest and most forgiving setup. You can spread the biscuit open slightly to increase the opening.[*]Applying silicon to the arrow shaft sometimes reduces the noise.[*]Keep the biscuit clean. Wipe the arrows prior to use. Avoid contaminating the biscuit with waxes, dirt, dust, target material, etc. Avoid using dry powder type waterproofing as it is abrasive and will increase arrow drawing noise.[*]Check that the biscuit is square to the arrow. Sometimes a noisy setup can be cured by pushing the top of the biscuit towards the bow string a little with your thumb. Paper tuning the bow will help optimize the rest position and can decrease draw noise.[*]Make sure the arrow is not pressing down on the rest with excessive force. If you are using nock sets above and below the arrow, they may be too close at full draw. This can cause more pressure on the bristles and increase draw noise.[*]If you are hunting on a cool damp morning, it is sometimes helpful to wipe the arrow and cable rod so it is free from condensation when you arrive at your stand.
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You know.....the first time I posted my experience with "the noise".....I admitted, subsequently, that I had sprayed my bow with white lightining before going into the woods that morning. Given this is a situation even recognized by CAP to cause arrow noise.....I was still told it couldn't be the biscuit. Even though I use carbon arrows (that haven't been shot hundreds of times through the WB)....I was told it wasn't the biscuit. Even though I didn't use steel wool on my shafts.....I was told it wasn't the biscuit. Even though I didn't utilize silicone on my shafts.....I was told it couldn't be the biscuit.

You know what......no matter what anyone says.....it was the biscuit.

If you'll follow these tips from the manufacturer, though......you should have NO problems.....and you, too, can eliminate biscuit noise.

Good luck!

Jeff

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No problem with a WB in 5 years of useage on two different bows. I think i'll keep them ! [:-]

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Enough with the pissing contest.......[&:]

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Yea..........and there is also another one on string slap........do you blame the equipment for that too??


You said you have been hunting for 30 years...........and then say that you saw your first buck EVER last year. I don't understand why you would keep preaching your hunting resume if none of those years were spent hunting deer.............I have been hunting deer for the last 20 years..........I wouldn't use that information to bolster my opinion to you about duck hunting ;)


Just trying to help you out man............before you go ripping your bow apart piece by piece after every time a deer spots you. You having the golf experience that you do should know as well as anyone it is RARELY an equipment issue.



Here is your biggest stumbling point............it COULD have been a thousand different things........instead of fixating on ONE silly thing that you think is going to be a magical solution to your problems you should be thinking to yourself how to avoid that trap in the future........like not waiting until a deer is 9 yards away before drawing.........BE READY. I made the same mistake a couple times and was drawing my bow too late. I got a couple deer that way but it also cost me a nice big doe once. I was watching her eat apples for 20 minutes 50 yards to my left and I KNEW she was gonna walk right in front of me. I was sitting there thinking about those tenderloins sizzling on the grill and was happy as could be that I was gonna take home some venison that day............Well, she walked out just like I knew she would except I was so sure of my impending success that I waited until she was right in front of me at about 18 yards before I drew back...........about half way into my draw cycle she darted her head and looked right into my eyes...........BUSTED!!!!!! I had 2 choices......let down or keep drawing so I figured #2 had more of an upside and I came to full draw.........Now she was looking right at me head on and I had no shot. She took a couple hops and walked away not really knowing what she didn't like about that tree but enough that she didn't wanna be around it. Now I could have blamed every piece of equipment I owned for that one. I could have said my rest made noise......my cam squeaked......my stand shifted......and went and spent time and money trying to fix a problem that didn't exist. Instead, I got down and went and stood where the doe was and realized that the ground sloped down towards my stand MUCH more then I thought and even though I was 20 feet up we were pretty much looking at each other on an even plain. What got me busted?? Noise, motion, scent, shadow, outline.......or some combo of all of them??? I don't know and I don't care because which ever one it was had NOTHING to do with why I got busted. My poor stand placement and ignorance of the slope of that field...........combined with my waiting too long to draw is what lost that deer for me. I don't hunt that tree anymore and have learned I need to constantly remind myself not to wait until the last second to draw. Of the 3 deer I killed last year I was at full draw and actually able to go over a quick checklist in my head as I settled my pins on the deer (yardage, anchor points, bend at the waist).......that kind of stuff. So much better then drawing feverishly and having to shoot in 2 seconds or my chance is gone. I could have blamed that deer on noise...........easily. Don't know what good that would have done me though.




First of all you have been told by MANY other people the same things I am telling you. SteveBNY just told you in a recent thread the same things and he is speaking from experience of seeing hundreds of those rests at his local shop over the years.

My good friends younger brother had a WB put on because he liked what he saw of mine. My buddy then tells me a couple weeks later that his brother hates it and can't shoot it worth a darn. I called him up and he came over with his bow (I have a range in my yard) When I saw that thing I almost fainted.......his nocking point was about 2 inches high, the disc was tilted forward either by installation and/or the arrow shafts whacking into it and his vanes looked like Ruffles chips. Now remember he was saying how much he hated his WB.............well he had it put on at Dick's and obviously by someone who had no clue. About 15-20 minutes later he was loving it and has not looked back since. I refletched his arrows for him and he went away as happy as could be. Now imagine that story only he doesn't know anyone who can help him and what do you get?? That was as bad as a rest could be set up and he didn't know........he figured the guy at the "proshop" did it right. You NEVER know how some people have their stuff setup. I am forced to assume incorrectly because I have never seen a properly setup WB do the things some people claim they are having problems with.


It's not offensive...........just because an opinion disagrees with yours doesn't make it offensive. Like I said, if you claimed Bigfoot scared away your deer do I have to agree because I wasn't there?




Nice quote from a guy who was just complaining about me being "condescending" Once again.......it's OK when YOU type something but if anyone else does it you get upset.

Strange.

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Why do you keep typing out your resume??...........Why would anyone care where you have fished in a thread about archery rests??




Well..........now you have.........and I am not the only person that has voiced that opinion to you ;)

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Pretty much EXACTLY what we have all been telling you over and over and over and over and over.

Set it up correctly and noise is a non factor.

No one ever disputed that friction between arrow and rest makes a sound........that is simple physics and a fact of life with EVERY rest.




What does the rest have to do with YOUR carelessness?? If you ran your broadhead across your string and it snapped is that the fault of the broadhead and string...........or your carelessness??


I don't see where it says that arrows HAVE to be shot hundreds of times to be quiet..........besides, this was your first year in the woods with a bow and you hadn't shot a couple hundred arrows?? WOW.



Where does it say that you HAVE to use steel wool to have a quiet shot?..........I've never used it and have no issues.



Never seen the need for silicone either............does it say you HAVE to use it?



This from the guy who didn't know ANY of these tuning tips until today

If you didn't know ANY of these tuning options for your rest then obviously you didn't know much about your equipment and/or how it was setup on your bow. What a shame.




You had to alter your drop away to eliminate noise correct?? That is OK........but any tweaks to a WB are unacceptable??

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Fine! Let's do this civilly.

Hunting ....being in the wild....is nonetheless gaining experience, there. I'm not a person that went to the bow shop and walked into the woods for the first time, last Fall. I grew up, there. That's ALL I was trying to say. I've been a hunter all my life (well...most of it).....which extends beyond 30 yrs. I've likely seen MANY bucks in the wild, too......but I'd never been 9 yds. from one....'til last year. I NEVER claimed (nor do I, now) to be anything other than what I am. I'm a "hunter"....who picked up deer hunting. I'm also no dummy when it comes to the woods. I've admitted to you on MANY occasions that I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong. If my stand had creaked or I'd dropped an arrow from the quiver......I'd come on here and laugh about it. Neither of those things happened. What did happen is the noise from the WB made my buck go on full alert. I know that.

Should I have drawn, earlier? Hindsight says yes. Could I draw....NOW (current setup)....in the same situation....and not have the buck hear it? Honestly...who knows??? But I DO KNOW that I cant hear the arrow being drawn through my new rest. And Carolina Archery Products gives a full dissertation as to what WB owners can do to quiet their rest.....so it isn't an anomoly.

Again....we agree, here. I've been spotted a few times, too. I know that it was my fault, too. I also know when it isn't.

As far as golf equipment/excuse factors......AGAIN...you're right! What I don't think you're giving golfers (and a certain hunter) credit for....is being able to recognize a TRUE flaw.....and having the wherewithall to remedy it. I've come in from rounds of golf and KNEW that ONE CLUB wasn't right.....by virtue of hitting a coupleof shots......only to find the loft/lie of that club off a couple of degrees (from my specs). People are pretty perceptive.....in many walks of life.

Atlas.....instead of fixating on the thousand things it might have been.....you fixate on ONE thing that's recognized by the manufacturer as a potential issue....and tell me the ONE thing COULDN'T HAVE BEEN the thing that spooked my buck. Now tell me how funny that sounds.

And you've been told by the people that MANUFACTURE your rest that certain situations lead to their rest being noisy. Yet, you deny this fact, still. Amazing.

How do you debate an issue with someone who posts this????? How old are you?

Jeff

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Straight from the CAP site.

'Course....what do they know????

When the kids we used to play army with (as children)would always say "missed me".....we recognized the exercise as being futile.....and moved on.

See ya.

Jeff

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No one is calling you a dummy.............maybe you should wait until you have seen more then one deer while hunting before you decide that you are 100% sure of what they react to. I have probably seen a thousand and I still shrug my shoulders sometimes because they always seem to do exactly what you think they won't.



Explain to me how you KNOW that......,...how do you KNOW it wasn't your jacket.......or your boots........or your motion........or your scent......or your shadow..........or something you still don't know what it is. Was your stand height correct for the terrain? Did you have adequate cover?? The list is endless..........but you are 100% sure it was WB noise after trying to draw a bow for the first time on the first buck you EVER saw while hunting??

Interesting.




So does every rest company...........from moleskin to fork tamers to rubber arrow stoppers.........all just different ways to skin a cat.





See the difference??..........you are comparing a Professional golfers "feel and perception" to that of a first time archer drawing on the first buck he has ever seen in the woods. Not exactly apples to apples.



That is funny...........because I never said it COULDN'T be. I said based on my experiences and your story........I don't believe it was. I am not the only person who has said it either ;)

No denial at all..........I think it has been firmly established that EVERY rest makes noise. Your contention that it is "deer spooking" noise is where the problem lies.

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Is that really what you are reading from those statements??.......That you HAVE to do those things to have a quiet WB They are tuning tips to help people make sure they have their product setup properly. No different then any other company with any other product.......heck, the MZE comes with a DVD......so did my Summit stand, full of tips and pointers. You find this as strange?

How do you debate a topic with someone who posts things like this?? How old are you??

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I'm not going to argue with you.....but I'm not going to let you put words in my mouth.

I never said that....nor is that the way events unfolded.

Jeff

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I just replaced my WB to a full containment ripcoard drop away rest and my accuracy deffinetly improved.

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Why does discussing different opinions get the label of arguing?



That's weird, because you didn't seem to mind doing the exact same thing to me a couple posts up :eek:

Forget flatulate................look up hypocrisy ;)

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Yawn.....

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Here ya go ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy

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I posted something....and now I take it back.

Have a good day.

Jeff

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We can go round and round all day but it won't change the FACT that ALL rests will make noise and for various different reasons, the Whisker Biscuit is no exception.

There are two things I think SBGobblersissome how not understanding:

1. If setup properly, theWhiscker Biscuit isplenty quietenough to hunt deereven at close ranges.

2. There is no way you will convince me (someone who has been bow hunting for over 20 years) that it was the rest and ONLY the rest that caused that deer to spook. This comming from someone who has admitted that it was their first year bowhunting and it was their first buck seen close up.

To put this into perspective, it would be like me telling you that in my first yearever playing golf, I hit the ball into thedrink while attempting my first par three hole that carries water......ever. Then telling you that it was the club's grip that made me dunk it and not anything else.............what would YOU tell me? And to top it all off, I've only been out and hit less than 100 balls before playing my first round of golf.

I don't know if it's an ego thing or what but you won't even entertain the thought that it could have been one of a hundred other things that spooked that deer. Could it have been the rest? Hell yes, I'm not saying itabsolutely wasn't, and I believe that in your mind you are positive that's what it was.But what Ihave said to you in the past and am trying to say now is that I doubt that's what it was and that it could have been many many other things as well.

I suspect,the more years you spend bow hunting deer you will come to this conclusion as well.

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That sums it up pretty well.............and I didn't have to type a lot :D

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Guys....I don't know who's saying this is the first buck I ever saw. It wasn't. The first one I saw was a half-rack 6. The buck in question was a full 6. They just happened to be seen from the same stand location.

If I'd farted....I'd be fairly certain that the air passing through my anus and creating an audible whistlingnoise would have been the determining factor that put my buck on alert. If I'd farted.....I'd have told you....and BOY what a funny deer hunting tale (no pun intended)we'd have been talking about for the last few days).

The fact that you got the first part of this wrong makes MUCH of your conjecture afterwards, MOOT.

In your golf scenario......if you told me your grip came loose.....WHO THE HELL AM I TO TELL YOU IT DIDN'T??? You're bolstering my argument with scenarios such as this. Grips come loose all the time!

I suspect....the more you learn about me....you'll take my word for things. If I thought I'd spooked that buck....I'd be the first to tell you. I am NOT a master deer hunter ....by ANY stretch. But...when I tell you something happened....don't let your love for a PRODUCT .....MAKE YOU BELIEVE what YOU want to. If I'd screwed up....I'd admit it (as I have MANY times....in life...and in hunting).

I've drawn down on deer since that day......and I'm just not experiencing the noise issues I used to have (for WHATEVER reason).

Have a great hunting season.

Jeff

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futile

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Man this mole hill has became a Mountain!!! :D

Who knows what made the deer spook? It could have been a number of things or a combination of things. It could have been the WB!

The fact of the matter is that SBGobblers felt the rest had something to do with it and decided to change. Nothing at all wrong with that IMO. If I were not confident in my equiptment, I would change it also as most all of us would. Confidence goes along way in the stand and second guessing can kill your hunt. IMO it's more about what you are confident with than anything else.

If it ain't broke.....don't fix it.

If it is broke (in your mind)............ya darn well better fix it![:-]

Happy hunting!!!!

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So it's the 2nd buck you ever saw and the first you ever tried to shoot........do you really think that changes anything?




You are not listening to what he (or anyone else) is saying. His point was what is more likely to be the cause of a first time rookie mistake??......faulty equipment or being a rookie?

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CAN SOMEONE SAY THREADJACKED?

My **** is better than yours....

Get over it guys.

Yes the bisquit makes noise...

Does the bisquit spook deer? Lets ask the next one we meet... and leave it at that. [:@]

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More likely to be a rookie mistake.

But did his grip really come loose?

Jeff

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Exactly.

The problem comes from the misinformation and bad advice.......telling people that a rest is loud and spooks deer when it is not does a great disservice to anyone who comes here looking for information to help them make educated choices based on what they read.




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Here he is, Daveoh (I think). You could ask him....but you'd have to kill ME!.....lol

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You answered your own question.

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Atlas.....

You kill me.

If you must have the last word.....then I concede it to you. I will not post again.

From now on, though.....when people ask about the WB....can I just post the "noise" information from THEIR site....instead of posting MY experience?

Can I?

OK....I will.

Jeff

see ya.....

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All of them, Hmmmmmmmmmmm.............................[&:][&:][&:]

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I know that some things don't translate to the written word as well as others do but I don't remember telling you that in my "scenario" the grip came loose, I just said it was the grip's fault. That being said my point was it seems pretty hard to swallow that you knew exactly what the cause was when you essentially were/are a beginer bow hunter, that's all.

Another thing that has come to light is that you pretty much did no research into your equipment (at least as far as rests were concerned) because if you had you would have known the tips to keep your draw quiet. But instead of responding to these type of threads with " I didn't but if you set it up correctly and follow some simple rules to keeping the rest quiet it will be just that.....quiet" or something to that order, you just come out and blast the thing and say it's loud. Then you try a backdoor complement by saying your kid has one and it's a good rest, with the underlying thought that well it's good enough for kids but not you.

Even if what you say happened and it was the rest that spooked the deer (I still don't think so), it was still entirely your fault because you didn't take the time to read up on it and set it up correctly in the first place. Yet, you seem to chime in on every one of these type of posts with the "it's too loud montra" yet never explain that perhaps in your case the noise could have been corrected easily.

Insteadyou go out and buy another rest and promtly alter it to be quiet because it was........too loud.:eek:

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ok...ok..."most" of them:D. damn traditionalist hunters!

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Yep John.... I was about to say the same thing! :D[8D]

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I have to remember that those guys are "all around us".

Just who do they think they are....all stealthy and such.:D:D:D

I still shoot my browning recurve every once and a while, brings me back to my youth starting out in archery. One day I will hunt with it.

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Check out the Primos boys' latest Bowhunting video (#3)... Brad Farris takes a recurve on a hunt for the exact reasons you cited above. Pretty neat.