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need advice on a new rest
I trying to figure out what to do. I currently have a NAP quick tune 800 but been debating to go back to my bodoodle super doodle 3-d rest and shortening my arrows a bit. I suppose it might help if you all knew what bow I have its a Browning eclipse SL.
But Im seriously thinking about going with a whole new concept asfar as an arrow rest is concerned the two im thinking of is either a trophy taker shakey hunter fall away rest but im just not sure about the idea of it Im a bit old school when it comes to archery that being said my gut feeling is saying go with a whisker biscuit QS and just stick with the basics. Id love to hear your opinions and advice thanks. |
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Love my Whisker Biscuit...won't go back now.
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A quality fallaway is truly hard to beat. The TT you named is an excellent rest and you'd do well with it. My personal fav and one I like even more that the TT is the Trophy Ridge Drop Zone. As easy to set-up and get to shoot perfectly as ANY rest you've ever seen,.... I promise you. I have no intestions of shooting any other rest this season. Good luck and good shootin'
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Just keep in mind that the WB is the least forgiving rest on the market, and a fall away is the most forgiving rest on the market.
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Don't let a bunch of misinformation shy you away from a WB. You will absolutely love it. And if you know just a little about tuning your bow you will have it shooting robinhoods. I would not recommend aluminum arrows with the WB, as I was getting some noise but as long as you go with carbons (ICS Hunter's in my case) it is as quiet as you can get. Forgiving? You've got to be joking. It is actually the most forgiving rest you can get. If you are lazy or just don't know what you're doing and have it set up wrong you can still get good groups. You will just have more fletching damage and you will have to re-sight when changing from field to broadheads. I have the WB QS Deluxe on 2 bows. Had the same on 2 previous bows. So, yes, I've actually used it and am not blowing b.s. that somebody's friend told his cousin's buddy.
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I have put thousands of shots through my rip cord rests and have had no problems with them. I have them on three different bows and can't complain at all about how they perform. I'd recommend them without hesitation.
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I never said the wb was a bad rest. I think it is a great rest for some kinds of hunting. Im sure you can shoot good groups with it but it is notthe most forgiving rest. Don't be rediculus. Im just giving the facts. Its simple, the WB is has full contact with your arrow at all times. After you let go of that string any movement at all will afect your arrow and it's flight, which makes it less forgiving than adrop away.A drop away rest, once you let go of thestring,falls completely out of the way and any movement after that will notaffect your flignt because there is no contact with your arrow anymore. So you can get away with a little more with the drop aways. That is the whole point of the drop away, no contact, more forgiveness. Don't let someone tell you more contact is less forgiving, does't make sense.Or let them explain why and see if it makes sense to you.
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Get a Whisker Bisquit.[8D][8D][8D][8D][8D][8D][8D]
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It depends on what you are looking for. I use a WB and have done so for years. I really like what it offers me. It's simple! I follow advice given to me a long time ago and that is.... Keep it simple stupid!
The fall away's are also good I'm sure. I choose not to go with one b/c of the moving parts. Moving parts IMO offer more opportunity for failure..... |
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I choose to gowith moving parts, which means no bad movementsof my arrows.Bad flying arrows at living animalsIMO offer more opportunity for failure.
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I choose to gowith moving parts, which means no bad movementsof my arrows.Bad flying arrows at living animalsIMO offer more opportunity for failure. |
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I'm sure your going to get many different answers and maybe even a few arguments in reply to your post.Much like you i'm also what you call old school. I shot a prong restearly onand then a fallaway came on to the scene called the Barner st. I tried it for about 6 months before going back to theprong style rest.
I've tried many of the rest thats out there today with the exception of a couple and i'll give you my thoughts based on my experience with three of them, the TT, dropzone and the WB. The TT Shakey isa great rest and i harvested a couple deer while using it.It's built very solid and pretty easy to tune and it works well. However, i could not get it as quiet as i wanted no matter how much fleece or material i put on the bow shelf for the launcher to land on.It wasn't real loud but it did make a little slap that bugged the heck out of me so off it came. After that i tried the WB deluxe.Set up was pretty straight forward and it tuned nicely and shot good. I used black goldtip xt's with feathers and the only fletching damage i had was the very edge of the feathers got a little fuzzy but still flew great. It was pretty quietwith very little noise,had good arrowcontainment and shot well. It was as accurate as i could shoot with it but ididhave a flyer every once in a while with broadheads. I can see why it's so popular with hunters, it's a very goodrestbut it just wasn't for me andafter a couple months of shooting it i took it off and moved on with no regrets.Not bashingthe WB here, it's no doubta good huntingrest butonly you can decide if it's for you or not. Next i tried the dropzone, it was very easy to setupand tuned just as easy. My concern with it was that it made a light spring noise when the launcher arm fell and continued to do so even afterthe o-ring kit was installed. I played with it for a while buy it just didn't do it for me. I may have just gotten a bad one because i've heard others that were very quite but none the less i took it off. No bashing here either, it'sa very solid and highly used and rcommended fallaway. I'm not going to mention the others i've triedbecause they were all goodin their own way. The thing is this,all the rest out there will do what they're designed to do if the bow is set up and properly tuned but some will do it a little better than others. It's all a matter of what tickels your fancy whetherit be a WB, fallaway or a conventional rest. For me personally i've settled in on a fallawayand it's the GKF Mirage.I won't use anything else on my hunting bow, i like it that much.It has everything i want in afallaway for hunting but that doesn't mean it's the best. It simplymeans that it's the bestfor me and to me.;) There's a ton of good rest out there, research the ones you're most interested in and then decide which onemeets your needs and go for it.Chances are, that will be the best rest to you and for you as well. ;):D |
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I second the ripcord suggestion. No contact and the arrow cannot fall off the rest. If you have access to a WB pull the vanes thru it. That cannot be an accurate arrow. I swiched and LOVE IT!
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ORIGINAL: Mykey I'm sure your going to get many different answers and maybe even a few arguments in reply to your post.Much like you i'm also what you call old school. I shot a prong restearly onand then a fallaway came on to the scene called the Barner st. I tried it for about 6 months before going back to theprong style rest. I've tried many of the rest thats out there today with the exception of a couple and i'll give you my thoughts based on my experience with three of them, the TT, dropzone and the WB. The TT Shakey isa great rest and i harvested a couple deer while using it.It's built very solid and pretty easy to tune and it works well. However, i could not get it as quiet as i wanted no matter how much fleece or material i put on the bow shelf for the launcher to land on.It wasn't real loud but it did make a little slap that bugged the heck out of me so off it came. After that i tried the WB deluxe.Set up was pretty straight forward and it tuned nicely and shot good. I used black goldtip xt's with feathers and the only fletching damage i had was the very edge of the feathers got a little fuzzy but still flew great. It was pretty quietwith very little noise,had good arrowcontainment and shot well. It was as accurate as i could shoot with it but ididhave a flyer every once in a while with broadheads. I can see why it's so popular with hunters, it's a very goodrestbut it just wasn't for me andafter a couple months of shooting it i took it off and moved on with no regrets.Not bashingthe WB here, it's no doubta good huntingrest butonly you can decide if it's for you or not. Next i tried the dropzone, it was very easy to setupand tuned just as easy. My concern with it was that it made a light spring noise when the launcher arm fell and continued to do so even afterthe o-ring kit was installed. I played with it for a while buy it just didn't do it for me. I may have just gotten a bad one because i've heard others that were very quite but none the less i took it off. No bashing here either, it'sa very solid and highly used and rcommended fallaway. I'm not going to mention the others i've triedbecause they were all goodin their own way. The thing is this,all the rest out there will do what they're designed to do if the bow is set up and properly tuned but some will do it a little better than others. It's all a matter of what tickels your fancy whetherit be a WB, fallaway or a conventional rest. For me personally i've settled in on a fallawayand it's the GKF Mirage.I won't use anything else on my hunting bow, i like it that much.It has everything i want in afallaway for hunting but that doesn't mean it's the best. It simplymeans that it's the bestfor me and to me.;) There's a ton of good rest out there, research the ones you're most interested in and then decide which onemeets your needs and go for it.Chances are, that will be the best rest to you and for you as well. ;):D |
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ORIGINAL: tschammel I never said the wb was a bad rest. I think it is a great rest for some kinds of hunting. Im sure you can shoot good groups with it but it is notthe most forgiving rest. Don't be rediculus. Im just giving the facts. Its simple, the WB is has full contact with your arrow at all times. After you let go of that string any movement at all will afect your arrow and it's flight, which makes it less forgiving than adrop away.A drop away rest, once you let go of thestring,falls completely out of the way and any movement after that will notaffect your flignt because there is no contact with your arrow anymore. So you can get away with a little more with the drop aways. That is the whole point of the drop away, no contact, more forgiveness. Don't let someone tell you more contact is less forgiving, does't make sense.Or let them explain why and see if it makes sense to you. your point makes a ton of sense I totally see why a fall away could be more forgiving excellent point, I never even thought of that. but Im still leaning towards the whisker biscuit but still not sure because of the fact its a full contact rest which has got me thinking about how it might effect velocity. because my bow isnt exactly setup for speed as it is becuase of an injury im limited to no more then 60 lbs of draw weight and i still havent made the transition to carbons and with my 31 inch draw length im limited to shooting heavy log aluminum arrows 2315 xx75's ive considered dropping my tip/broadhead weight down from 100 grains to maybe 75 that way I could maybe go with a lighter shaft and still have enough backbone but with my current setup im only getting an average chronographed speed of 219 fps. |
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HighDesert, ANY bow you shoot with torque or improper form will give you inconsistant accuaracy. As for fletching contact, people can't get past the simple idea that contact as it has been known, which is generally contact with 1 or maybe even 2 vanes and also the type of contact which is generally against a hard or semi-stationary object, tends to deflect and alter arrow flight, while WB contact is more of a uniform and less obtrusive contact. I can tell you for fact you can shoot good groups with a WB and not be in tune. Tune it up and you better shoot at different spots or you'll be re-fletching and buying new arrows. Its all this mis-info that people throw out there that really is a shame because people like you don't really know and then never try something base on b.s. The WB may or may not be for you but the real way to find out is to actually try one. Good luck.
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i vote for the QAD ultrarest, i've had great success w/ it. Its accurate and you get total containment.
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I concur with Ed. It's a great rest. We've had this rest on one of our bows for a year now. I't performed well.
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Its simple, the WB is has full contact with your arrow at all times. This is the problem with so many that discredit the WB., they simply have never tried one, they simply don't know the FACTS!! The WB is a good rest, as are many drop aways. Thankfully we live in a country where we are all free to choose which is BEST for each of us!! |
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It is personal preference your right. Just a couple of other things to add. You said that your limited to 60lb bow, and you want to switch to 75grain heads to add spead. I would guard against doing that. You will increase your spead but if your shooting in the 50's for poundage your going to loose alot of penetration going to a 75grain head. If you want to keep some speed a drop away would be a good idea, no drag. But, Im done promoting the drop away, said all I can say about it.
Good luck in choosing a rest. I was just givng my opinion from my experiences. Not trying to give you any bs. Good luck hunting! |
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ORIGINAL: tschammel It is personal preference your right. Just a couple of other things to add. You said that your limited to 60lb bow, and you want to switch to 75grain heads to add spead. I would guard against doing that. You will increase your spead but if your shooting in the 50's for poundage your going to loose alot of penetration going to a 75grain head. If you want to keep some speed a drop away would be a good idea, no drag. But, Im done promoting the drop away, said all I can say about it. Good luck in choosing a rest. I was just givng my opinion from my experiences. Not trying to give you any bs. Good luck hunting! |
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Ive decided to try the WB first if for some reason I dont like it, it never hurts to have more junk lol:D. If I do end up not liking it im gonna try the shakey hunter fall away. but I have a feeling i will be pleased with the WB. thanks for all of your input. just never liked diving into something without hearing others experience. thanks
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Many pro shops have a few demo rests that they would allow you to bolt onto you bow and then shoot it for a hour or two to see if you like it. I too am a fan off the fall away and highly recomed it to anyone. Iuse both the RipCord and theTrophy Taker, but their aregetting to be many good ones on the market.What you need to do is try out as many different rests as possiable to find the one you like the best.
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Both rests will work fine as long as you set them up correctly. Some have said that the Whisker Biscuit is less forgiving due to the fletchings comming into contact with the bristles and thus bad form will cause bad shots or something in that order. Well remember this.... ANY bad form will result in bad shots no matter what rest you use.
Lets look at the basics of how these rests work. A drop away will fall down away from the arrow when shooting however until the arrow comes off of the string it will still be effected by bad form,even if there is nothing touching the arrow but the string, because after all the string is attached to the bow and that's inYOUR hand! The Whisker Biscuit works slightly different in that there are bristles all around the arrow as you release. The opening is larger than the arrow soit's not squeezingit. The arrow will contact the bristles slightly due to the flex of the arrow as it is being thrusted forward by the string, but this does not seem to do anything to hamper it's flight. If you see one in slow motion you will know what I mean, the arrow oscillates the same as is does from a drop away. Alsoif yousee one being used in slow motion, you will notice that the vanes/feathers are almost half way through the biscuit when it leaves the string.Only about two inches of the fletchings are still in "contact" with therest after it isleaves the string. This two inches is the difference between the two rests because any movement of the bow with the arrow still on the string will amount to poor shots. Now the most important part.......from the time youtrigger your release to the time the arrow leaves the string only takes fractions of a second, faster than you can blink. So to say that the Whisker Biscuit is less forgivingfor me is very hard to believe because inbothinstances the arrow is still attached and still effected by form, we are talking about two inches of contact after the arrow has left the string and in that little millisecond of timeall three vanes/feathers are evenly passing through. Given this and the fact that many.....manyarchers shoot the Whisker Biscuit just fine should let you know that it is indeeda very easy rest to shoot accurately. I have used them since they first came out and have never noticed even the slightest difference in accuracy between it and my old rest (Prong style). What I have noticed are many good features from a quality, sturdy and consistant rest. Either one you choose will work just fine as long as you do.;) |
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you owe it to yourself to check out the 06 mirage by goldenkey. this is by far a great hunting rest. easy to set up and tune. alot quieter than the trophy taker with a better arrow cradle system. i honestly have naever had any problems with this rest over the past 3 yrs. the 06 even comes with launcher bearings for better and smoother performance. ive tried the trophy taker,the ultra rest,the biscuit and a few others over the years and this rest out performs them all in hunting conditions. alot of people miss out on this rest.
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ORIGINAL: BigJ12 Both rests will work fine as long as you set them up correctly. Some have said that the Whisker Biscuit is less forgiving due to the fletchings comming into contact with the bristles and thus bad form will cause bad shots or something in that order. Well remember this.... ANY bad form will result in bad shots no matter what rest you use. Lets look at the basics of how these rests work. A drop away will fall down away from the arrow when shooting however until the arrow comes off of the string it will still be effected by bad form,even if there is nothing touching the arrow but the string, because after all the string is attached to the bow and that's inYOUR hand! The Whisker Biscuit works slightly different in that there are bristles all around the arrow as you release. The opening is larger than the arrow soit's not squeezingit. The arrow will contact the bristles slightly due to the flex of the arrow as it is being thrusted forward by the string, but this does not seem to do anything to hamper it's flight. If you see one in slow motion you will know what I mean, the arrow oscillates the same as is does from a drop away. Alsoif yousee one being used in slow motion, you will notice that the vanes/feathers are almost half way through the biscuit when it leaves the string.Only about two inches of the fletchings are still in "contact" with therest after it isleaves the string. This two inches is the difference between the two rests because any movement of the bow with the arrow still on the string will amount to poor shots. Now the most important part.......from the time youtrigger your release to the time the arrow leaves the string only takes fractions of a second, faster than you can blink. So to say that the Whisker Biscuit is less forgivingfor me is very hard to believe because inbothinstances the arrow is still attached and still effected by form, we are talking about two inches of contact after the arrow has left the string and in that little millisecond of timeall three vanes/feathers are evenly passing through. Given this and the fact that many.....manyarchers shoot the Whisker Biscuit just fine should let you know that it is indeeda very easy rest to shoot accurately. I have used them since they first came out and have never noticed even the slightest difference in accuracy between it and my old rest (Prong style). What I have noticed are many good features from a quality, sturdy and consistant rest. Either one you choose will work just fine as long as you do.;) |
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Had the bisquit, Shot ok but I went with the shakey hunter and am grouping arrows at forty yards with vanes touching. Never had that at twenty with the WB.
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i HAVE SHOT A wb FOR TWO YEARS NOW AND LOVE IT. iT HAS BEEN WITH ME IN FOUR STATES AND FIVE DIFFERENT BIG GAME ANIMALS AND HAS BEEN NOTHING BUT GOOD. aGAIN...IT'S ALL IN WHAT you LIKE.
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