Whisker Biscuit vs. Bodoodle Zapper and other
 

Hi folks,
I've been a stranger to the forum for a while. My time now is consumed with hunting and my current assignment - day & night school (I'm an army major at the Command & Staff school getting my masters at the same time).
Bottom line up front, I'd like some pros and cons of the Bodoodle Zapper vs. the Whisker biscuit, plus removing my metal nock loop (tru-Ball type, matched to my release.) and shooting off the string for my Jennings Carbon Master Xtreme.
The last time I posted was about a recently installed altered (chopped for easier arrow insertion) Whisker Biscuit, and I must say, I'm not impressed. Ya'll warned me! I was happy at first, great groups and quiet, but the whiskers bent/degraded over time at those openings, giving me erratic performance (crappier groups, and not just me), so I replaced the biscuit with the real thing replacement, and noticed improved consistency. BUT...I have a tuning problem too, 'nuther story and I'm fixin' that. I have a Tru-Nok on the string, and my pro I talked to said it makes tuning difficult, so I'm considering deletion of that and releasing from the string.
I'm a novice, just started bowhunting last year and have yet to get a bow kill...but confidence is everything. I've passed up some yearlings and does for the right shot, and I'm trying not to get too hyped for the first kill. I don't want to lose a deer. Once I start losing confidence in my ability to shoot 3in. groups at 20-25 yards, I'm screwed at the Moment of Truth, so change is required.
I simply wanted a rest that wouldn't let the arrow fall off. Now I've screwed around with the bow, maybe too much.
Any advice on the subject of rests and nock method?
Thanks.
--Dan

Dan

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First thing I'd get rid of is the metal string loop. I've had more customers with trouble with them than they're worth.
Next forget the biscuit and go with a standard Bodoodle rest. I haven't tried the Zapper, but have great luck with the Pro Lite or Pro 500 from Bodoodle. Shoot thru rests can be tuned, but they can also be a pain.
JMHO

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I love my bodoodle pro 500.

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Get rid of the metal loop and tie on a string loop first thing. I am not sold on nor have I given up on the Whisker Biscuit just yet. a couple of experiences this year with differnt rests have me looking at it again. I still think it is a great rest, but takes a little more time to tune. I also trim both sides of the Biscuit and cut a notch in the top to allow easier arrow loading. After season I am going to do some more testing with differnt fletching configurations and arrows to see what works best with it.

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There is absolutely no better rest then the whisker biscuit for holding your arrow, which is what your rest is doing for 99.999999999% of the time while hunting. Only at the moment of release does it lose it's advantages over other rests, and is the only time the rest's function isn't too hold the arrow. It certainly can be tuned to shoot good groups if you want to take the time, which makes it a no-brainer when choosing a rest for it's huntng attributes.

Just one hunter's opinion.

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I SHOOT A STRING LOOP AND THE DROP TINE WHISKER BISCUIT. BOTH PERFORM VERY WELL. I DID SHOOT AT A SMALL BUCK EARLIER THIS SEASON AT 30 YDS AND NOTICED THAT AS THE ARROW LEFT THE BOW THERE WAS A AUDIBLE HSSSSSS. THE ARROW WENT IN FRONT OF THE DEER TO MAKE A CLEAN MISS, I FIRST CHALKED IT UP TO HUNTER ERROR. THEN THE FOLLOWING WEEK I READ AN ARTICLE ABOUT THE WHISKER AND IN IT HAD REPORTS OF THE FLETCHING TEARING AFTER REPEATED SHOTS THRU THE REST. SO I PULLED OUT THE ARROW AND SURE ENOUGH IT WAS TORN. THE ARTICLE SAID THE BEST REMEDY WAS TO APPLY A DAB OF GLUE TO THE FRONT EDGE OF THE FLETCHING TO REINFORCE THE BOND. NO MORE PROBLEMS SINCE. TIME WILL TELL.

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I went to the WB last year because I hunt about 50% of the time from the ground in heavy cover. The obvious advantage is holding the arrow securely, either on the ground or when shooting at steep angles from the treestand. I killed a buck directly under my tree last year and couldn't have held on him with a conventional rest. I also use a metal loop and have had no problems with tuning. I practiced at 50 and 60 yards all summer getting ready for a Quebec caribou hunt and shot 5" 4-arrow groups from there with the setup.

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I have used the WB for 2 years and it is a great rest except it destroys my fletching when practicing. I just ordered a Goldenkey shootout which has the same feature as the biscuit except there is no fletching contact. The shootout also has can be setup to load the arrow from the top or side which ever you chose.

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Thanks for the replies, folks. I just came back from the pro shop with my bow.
Here's what he told me: (maybe he's also learning some about these different combos and carbon arrows?!)
--The D loop WITH a retention rest makes it hard(impossible)to tune with my GoldTip arrows. They tried the BD Zapper and others and couldn't get the arrow to shoot straight. Apparently the loop makes my Jennings CM Xtreme very sensitive to spine strenth. Gold Tips are 5575s and I'm set at around 58lbs.
So now...the D-loop is gone - I'll be shooting off the string - and I'm back to a two-prong rest (now a nicer Quik-Tune one) even trade and no charge for the work. To my bowyer's credit, it was I, the novice, who wanted the D-loop installed as well as the biscuit rest. I'm going to try a NAP (I think it's a 'Quik-Flip'?) arrow retainer to keep my arrow in place and otherwise Keep It Simple (stupid) from now on.
I'm glad I decided to resolve things before shooting at a deer! I'll shoot tomorrow and give a report once I see how it shoots.
--Dan

Dan

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The arrow retainer is a "FastFlip" by NAP, not a "QuickFlip"!
Looks like a solid product from the NAP website. I just want a quality system to hold the arrow on the rest while I'm sitting in stand or still-hunting!
--Dan

Dan

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There is only one rest I'll ever use!
Muzzy, Zero Effect!!!
I was paper tuned after one 1/4" adjustment to my knock point.
No more fletchings hit or arrows falling off while drawing back.
One of the best investments I ever made!!!

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I have never used the WB but my huntin buddy did and we do alot of practicing in the summer. Especially last summer cause i broke my leg. We usually shoot an average of 60-100 arrows a day or more until hunting season. After about 500 shots you could notice the WB starting to get bent and worn down tips. It would keep getting worse and worse to the point where my friend had to start changing his pins cause it was really affecting the arrow flight. It also screwed up the fletching on his arrows cause he uses feathers instead of veins. I have had my rest for 6 years now and havent had a problem. It is just 2 little metal rods that hold the arrow and have white plastic caps over them which have worn down a little. I found out that once they have worn down a little they actually hold my arrow in unless i turn my bow upside down.

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The wisker bisquet rocks. been using one for two years. and am paper tuned with perfect bullet holes. and can shoot my knocks off at will from 20 yards. also i use a string loop and it performs as expected.
As far as getting good groups its all in the setup and the shooter. the biggest part of the setup is properly spined arrows. If they are, then set up is a breeze and perfect flight can be acheived even without vanes.
yes the wb does wear out but replacements are cheap. I also shoot feathers and after about 1000 shots with the same arrow you can see that it is taking its toll on them but if they are fletched properly they ought to be good for another 1 or 2 thousand shots.
so to me id say the pro of having a rock solid dead simple arrow rest out weighs any of the cons ive noticed
just my 2 cents
Bob

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I have shot a bow exactly like mine with an MZE (I have a WB). The diference was amazing. The MZE way outperformed my WB in every way (the guy had gotten crafty with some mole skin and tubing which held the arrow in place when not drawn)except if I were to turn my bow completely upside down. The MZE is faster, quieter, and improves accuraccy dramaticaly especially at longer distances. I just think that at $125.00 Muzzy is really taking advantage of their customers. I can't see why any rest should cost over 100 bucks. I have not had any experience with other fall away rests but can assume they will offer the same benefits. Although the WB has an advantage in the area of keeping the arrow on the rest no matter what, if I had the dough to buy a new rest I'd drop the WB and never look back. I'd dump the meal loop too.

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That Muzzy is great until it fails when you really need it. I say keep it simple and the wb is dead simple.

Bob