"Air Rest" Levitating arrow rest
 

I saw this in abowhunting magazine and I was wondering if it really works. It looks like it might be a gimmick. I went on the website (www.air-rest.com) and they have some video of the rest in action. In theory, if it works, it would completely eliminate arrow contact with the rest but I'm very skeptical. It's expensive too - $150. Has anybody seen it or used it?

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WOW, if that really works i think i want one. That would be awesome. I dont like the fact you have to have different inserts. What would you do for the Axis arrows?

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wow !!! amazing !! unbelievable!!...just kidding:D. This thing is meant to catch hunters. I find it funny how he has the entire inside of the rest covered in microfleece. When an arrow is fired it flexes to I bet that you will still have some sort of contact with the rest. The walls of the rest just look too close to the arrow for it not too. I have seen this same rest ages ago on here and I believe everyone came to the same conclusion. Just stick with what works and forget these new gimmicks.

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I saw something similar to one of these at a three D shoot. It works on a small magnet in the arrow behind the insert. It looked like a good idea to me. Just expensive.

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i seen that somewhere not to long ago......for the life of me i cannot remember where it was!!i also saw a page or maybe TV show that showed an arrow flexing as it was released and everything in slow motion....very likely the same place i seen the air rest...i cant remember where...TV or internet..but i cant remember for the life of me where....the arrows pics were neat....

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Actually they have fleece on the entire inside because the arrow only levitates in the last inch or so of draw......until that point you are free to clank the shaft around inside as much as a person's clumsiness will allow.

The concept is actually pretty neat and it does work (We had them on some of our bows at the ATA show) It looks like black magic when you watch it work......there was no contact and they are the quietest restsI have ever shot. (Think about it, no moving parts OR contact when fired)

The rest has some issues IMOincluding the workable distance forward and back that it will engage the magnets and allow the arrow to lift and the time it takes for the arrow to fully stabilize would make it probably not the best choice for quick shooting. (The arrow just sort of vibrates within the field when you hit full draw for a few seconds before it settles out)

Overall the concept is cool......but being a first year of production the idea will be improved upon in fututre years and if they address a few things it'scould be arest with serious benefits.

I liked it, brought a smile to my face:).....would I put it on my hunting bow this year?........No.

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That's kind of cool. I think. Matt, if you move the bow once your drawn is there any bounce or movement of the arrow?

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i find it kind of funny that you have no idea what your talking about....the fleece is there in case you tilt your arrow the wrong way and it hits the side.there is no clearance issues at all with this rest...unless you set it up wrong.i have been using this rest for a while now and i will continue to do so.this rest works great enough that im going to use it at the indoor worlds...this is not a gimmick,it works great but untill people open their minds and give one a try,they will just presume they know that the rest doesnt work when in reality they dont have a clue....by the way,im using blazers with this rest and have no contact at all.

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as long as your at full draw,there is no movement at all....you can push the center of the arrow and watch the arrow flex in the middle with almost no movement at all at the tip....these are very strong magnets.here is a pic of my friend mike and his set up...

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this rest will tell you if you have bad form...if you creep foward the arrow will drop.it helps to have a bow with a solid wall or draw stop so you can only draw it so far...if you draw to far back then it will drop or go to the side of the rest.if this happens it is because you either set it up wrong or you have bad form...i have good form and have never had a problem with it dropping.the way mine is set up it has a little more than a 1/4 of creep before it will drop....you shouldnt creep that much anyways.when you get to full draw the arrow will vibrate for about 1.5 seconds(when set up right)....i did a test and tried to aim and shoot before it stopped vibrating and you cant do it.i had to draw the bow to where the arrow was getting ready to lift,then aim and then draw the rest of the way and then i could aim and shoot at the target while it was vibrating...it was only 1/2 of an inch off at 20 yards(not too bad for vibrating arrow)..then i shot an arrow without the magnetic insert and at 20 yards it was only 2 inches low...thats still a kill shot at 20 yards on a deer...i have taken deer with this rest and will continue to use it for hunting...i cant wait until turkey season.

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I wonder if it slows the arrow down, since the magnets are so strong they might hold the arrow longer.... Also does the magnet in the arrow disrupt FOC balance? Looks like a great idea, hopefully it will continue to get improved upon, I would buy one if I had the money to spend.

I remember the first time I saw a whisper bisquit, thinking "what a gimmick, that thing will never catch on!"

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How heavey is the tip/insert that you have to use?

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I love when a'staff shooter' comes on here to promote items they are probably given and expect other archers/hunters to shell out some heavy money for an 'developmental' product. Many do it with an 'air' of superiority and speak as though they are experts concerning the archery industry.

Anyway, this subject was covered quite well in the 'Technical' section on this forum. Here isa link and just one post of quite a fewthat I made:

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[/align]"Thank you for your admissions that this rest is not for everybody. This is where we totally agree.

I can't in good conscience put thisrest on my shelves and sell it to the average customer. I cannot set it up for a customer and expect them to come back to me for 'refitting'. I cannot expect or recommend to most customers that theyinvest incustom strings on new bows.

The LD version may fix some problems, but with the'tinkering' you say may be required, have they really fixed the marketability? This was really one of my points from the beginning.

The Air Rest that is attempting to enter the archery marketplace has similar problems. While it is a great idea, the present design does not come close to meeting the complete requirements of the archery market."
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the inserts vary in what they weigh between different brands of arrows...you generaly add 15 to 20 grains to the tip...you can counter that by dropping weight in your field point or broadhead...if you are a target shooter and use glue in tips,you can get them in just about any weight you want without adding any weight.these are easy to set up and if you plan it out,you can have the arrow at the same weight you currently shooting.you do have to cut the arrows to specific lengths to make it work...no big deal,you have to cut new arrows anyways.with the set up i have now,i have a 10%foc...these are the most consistant rest that i have ever used....no moving parts,no noise when released(none),no wiskers to freeze when it gets wet,no cords to break or come loose...the magnets are rare earth magnets that will last longer than you will live and there are some new concepts with this rest that are in development right now...if anyone buys one or has one and needs help on setting it up,just give me an pm and i will gladly help.

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i love when people(YOU LEN) assume that i was givin this rest for free...i still have to pay for the rest and the inserts.i dont claim to be an expert on anything and i am not pushing this rest on to anyone....i am defending it because i know it works and it works great for me.i have set up alot of these rest and everyone that i set them up for really likes them.

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LOL Ohio Ross Guy...you come on this site as a newb with 20 posts PRAISING this rest and tearing down anyone who posts otherwise. Heaven forbid someone not like the idea. I also find it funny how you "defend it because you know it works". You wouldn't be "defending it" because your on the freakin' air-rest shooting staff would you? Nope...that wouldn't be it at all.

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i was praising this rest before i was a staff shooter....thats why i became a staff shooter...i was defending this rest from your remarks in your first post.how can you tare something down that you obviosly never even used.just because you dont like the idea doesnt mean it doesnt work. maybe i come on a little strong and if i do,i apologize...im just sticking up for what i believe in.

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I think its a great idea and I would definitely try it out, I just don't have the $150 or more to drop on an arrow rest. I do agree with the "don't knock until you've tried it" phrase. Hey, when carbon arrows first came out alot of people were against them, now just about everyone shoots them.

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Good post, thanks!

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That's fine. You can say whatever you want about the rest just as I can say what I think about it. The difference is I was talking about the rest and only the rest. I didn't feel the need to say that everyone else doesn't know what their talking about. Funny how I never said I was an expert and that everyone should listen to what I say or else. I gave an opinion and if you don't like it I could care less but for heavens sake get off of your soapbox. Give an honest opinion and quit tearing down everyone elses.

Yup...nailed me on that one. In the whole 30 days you've been on here you have me pegged.:D


Once again let me explain. These statements are called OPINIONS and can be changed depending upon the responses of those who use the product. I never said I used the rest and that my post was gospel. But if you wouldn't have got your panties in a bunch and just posted a rational informational response we wouldn't even be having this conversation now would we.;)

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i said you dont know what your talking about when it comes to this rest...and you dont...have you ever tried one?i didnt think so because if you did,you wouldnt have said some of the things you said....like you said..everyone is entitled to their opinion but you said that you will stick with what works and not the gimmicks...ok how do you know it doesnt work..you dont because you never used one but yet you felt compelled to bash it.my reply to people not having a clue was also directed to you.when it comes to this rest,you dont have a clue and yet you still want to bash it...if i dont like the idea of a product,i dont bash it...i will try to find a way to try it out and see how it works.if i tried it and dont like it then i atleast have solid reasons on why i dont like it....

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This is rediculous. It's obvious that no matter what anyone says you won't come down from your pedestal. I didn't bash the rest. I made OPINIONS based on what I saw and read. I said "I BET there would be some contact" not "there is deffinitely contact, this rest is horrible, it doesn't work at all, if you buy it your a moron". I made a statement from LOOKING at the rest and READING POSTS from threads that you evidently chose not to read. I apologize if I chose to believe someone else's posts who also tested and used the rest. You see it is actually possible for an individual to have opinions based on feedback from various other people who have actually used the rest as well. I guess that is why they have thousands of articles on all the new equipment that hits the market. We all don't have 150 bucks to just try one out so we make opinions based on what a number of other people have found. All you had to do was give your opinion and drop it but I can see now that this is a battle not worth fighting. Good luck...give the rest a kiss goodnight for me when you tuck it in bed.:D;)

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i dont put myself on any pedestal.....i did give my opinion and you must not of liked it because you keep coming back with these little smart a$$ remarks towards me.

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What a representative for the companies you have listed in your sig, Ohio Ross Guy! I'm sure you're gonna have these guys lining up to buy the products you supposedly front for.

How'd you like for someone to forward the link to this thread to all those outfits? Wanna find out what it's like to be an ex-staffer?

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When I started this thread I was looking for somebody's opinion who has actually used it. That being said, I appreciate the comments from the factory shooter since he has experience with the product. I also appreciate him identifying himself as a factory shooter because it puts his opinions in perspective for me. I didn't meet to start a pis*ing match here - I just wanted somebody's opinion who has first hand experience with the product. Since I don't have $150 dollars to spend on a rest I'll just wait until I hear more positive reviews from more people who have actually tried it. Personally I'm not crazy about having to re-cut my arrows and change the weight of my inserts. If they ever found a way around that part I'd definitely buy one.

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i apologize for the pis$ing match....stu does have some things in the works for the concerns you have mentioned.he is trying to make it more user friendly and im sure he will.its just going to take a little time.

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We have been over this before , as Len stated , looks like a gimmick to me ,in hunting situations many times 1 1/2 seconds is the diferance between harvested game and lost oppertunaty

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your right...i shouldnt get into it like this.i have given the best information that i can and i hope it helps anyone who wants to know about the rest.

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i understand that also and hopefully it will be worked out.

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ok bearklr....lets quit the arguing and lets start over...if you get the chance,try one out and let me know what you think.

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Ohio Ross don't let them get to you some people on here think that everybody is entitled to their opinion. I think that it's sad that every time a factory rep comes on here and talks good about their product people automatically dismiss their opinion as being bought and paid for but if "Joe Schmo" comes in and braggs about it he can be trusted. I value your opinion and if I had$150.00 to spend on a rest I would give this one a try.

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I guess the guys who don't like factory reps because their opinions may be "biased" would never accept a product for free or discount and if they did and they liked it then surely they wouldn't tell anyone for fear of being attacked as having their opinion bought. Jesus cut the guy a little slack. And oh yeah just because you have posted more than someone else doesn't make you an expert on anything it just means you spend more time on the computer or found this site before others. JMHO

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Great posts gutshot and turtleshell. I love this forum and have a great time here, until stuff like this gets going. Ohio Ross just came on and gave HIS opinion of the rest because he has used it and likes it. Maybe some guys think it looks like a gimmick. Gee, I remember when others were saying stuff like this about the Zero Effect.... The samerest that many, many hunters, including myself, have been using for years now and still love it. I will be honest, when I saw the Air rest a few weeks ago for the first time in my new issue of Peterson's Bowhunting, I was skeptical too. I showed it to a buddy and we both questioned it and had some concerns about it. But I sure as heck am not gonna start ripping someone who has used it and beleives in it just because I have my questions about it. And that is just what happened here. Ohio Ross uses it and loves it and gave an answer to someones opinion who HASN"T used and and ripped it, then it all goes downhill from there. Hey, if a guy is a factory rep or a pro staff shooter for a company, then obviously they believe in the product and have a right to defend it just like someone has a right to question it. But I must say, in my opinion, the person who at least has actually used the product has more of a right to give an honest assesment than someone who just saw it and formed their negative opinion. I am not trying to throw gas on the fire, and I will not get into an ongoing fued with anyone on here ( actually this ishonestly the first time I have ever really directed an opinion to someone like this on here), but I really feel that a few of you that are blaming Ohio Ross for the negative direction that this thread hasturned really need to examine your input in this casealso, and see where some of the blame lies. I just don't see the positive in tearing down someone who beleives in a product that was derived from their personal usage of the product. And I wholeheartily agree that the number of posts a person has made doesn't make their opinion any more or less valuable than anyone else's. I have gained alot of knowledge, insight, help and entertainment from alot of great people on here and hope that I in turn return the favor. Truthfully, we are all on here for the same reason, our love of archery and bowhunting. It is a shame that sometimes this garbage has to happen. Hang in there Ohio Ross, and stick around. There are alot of great people on here. And thanks to everyonefor your opinions. Some just come across a little stronger or more negative than needed. Take care everyone.

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Let's get back on topic, if you have experience with this rest, post about it, if you've never used it...perhaps you should try it before you bash it...I have no experience with it....I trust Matt's thoughts on it and until I have the opportunity to try it, I'll listen to those who have.

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So........ what do you guys think about Scentlok? [8D] Just kidding. It certainly seems like an interesting rest. Its fun to see people always thinking. We will always be in search of the holy grail - perfect, repeatable arrow flight. ;) Ohio Ross, you should get Air Rest to give you one to send to bearklr and let him try it out. For that matter, pick a couple. Maybe Len, Arthur. You would get an honest assessment, good or bad, and if its good they couldn't buy better advertisement. I bet I'm not the only one who'd like to see some hands on testing results. Of course, Arthur may end up taking your spot on the Air Rest staff.:D:D

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i find it kind of funny that you have no idea what your talking about....the fleece is there in case you tilt your arrow the wrong way and it hits the side.

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this rest works great enough that im going to use it at the indoor worlds

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but untill people open their minds and give one a try,they will just presume

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this rest will tell you if you have bad form...if you creep foward the arrow will drop.

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it helps to have a bow with a solid wall or draw stop so you can only draw it so far...if you draw to far back then it will drop or go to the side of the rest....

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if this happens it is because you either set it up wrong or you have bad form

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i have good form and have never had a problem with it dropping.

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the way mine is set up it has a little more than a 1/4 of creep before it will drop....

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I love when a'staff shooter' comes on here to promote items they are probably given and expect other archers/hunters to shell out some heavy money for an 'developmental' product.

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If you read the text carefully, you'll note that I used the word "probably". I guess it hit a nerve because you reacted adversely.

I hope that you and others take the time to check out this link. You will find that I have high hopes for this rest, but feel that it needs a lot more developmentalwork before it'smarketed to the industry as a whole.

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len,when i was talking about bad form it was in no way meant to be an insult.yes the statement you said didbother mebecause i do pay for the things i have even though i am astaff shooter and it felt like a personal attack...maybe thats not how you intended it to be but thats how it sounded to me.i guess i could have thought it out a little more...im over it and now im going to go check out the link you posted and maybe compare some information.im curious to see what problems you had with it and to see if its something that can be fixed or changed.

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Anyone ever drop one before it was installed and have the polarity reversed on the mangets?

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That's a good point. I also read on their site that high temps can cause the magnets to lose power.Is thisan issue? I know we really don't get our bows close to a fire or anything but I imagine a black bow case could get pretty hot in the sun.

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i believe it has to get to 270+ degrees to effect the magnet....i will find out..i dont think that dropping the magnets will effect the polarity but if dropped hard enough could crack or break the magnet