Any Spot-Hogg users?
 

OK, I've been tinkering as much as I could in my back yard this afternoon with my new Allegiance trying to get it dialed in...

I put a new Spot-Hogg Hunter Hogg It on, and I've almost run out of adjustability trying to get it set. It's got a row of pre-drilled holes so you can make coarse adjustments horizontally, and I've got the sight housing attached using the upper-most holes I can, and I still almost run out of room trying to dial it in the rest of the way using the regular gang adjustment... Perhaps Spot-Hogg wasn't counting on such a flat-shooting bow as the Allegiance to ever come out in this product's lifetime? ;)

I'm having the same problem with the vertical adjustments; I've used the spacer bar to get the sight housing as far left as I can, and I've turned the allen wrench adjustment about as far as I can to get the housing to go left...

I'm not thatfaraway fromgetting it sighted in, but I hate not being close to the center of my adjustability range...

Any thoughts from someone who's more familiar with this sight?

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well im glad to here that I'm not the only one with this problem. I have one installed on my 02 Patriot and i have the vertical adjustment adjusted all the way and same with the horizontal. Its still not right on yet, but it is getting worked on right now, so i will look forward to others ideas


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I've got one and love it. I see no way you can run out of verticle adjustment unless you anchor really really weird.I guess old Horse Face Kerrywould have a problem. AS far as left right.... unless your bow is designed really odd I see no problem again if you're tuned. Mine is sitting just about dead center on both verticle and horizontal adjustments.Pin gangcentered in window.

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I thought about that David, but I think I anchor pretty much regular-like... nuckle under/against the side of my jaw with the string coming back past the corner of my mouth... I know it's the same as I always have for years and years, and I've never had this problem before.

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See what happens to a guy when he doesn't need to try and set up a new bow for the last 7-8 years?;)

Don't panic, your tune and fit are little off vs what you are used to........it will come around.
Check your centershot, peep height, anchor and everything related to fit.
If you had the pro-shop install your peep you might be forcing your head, anchor and eye to fit an incorrect low placement without really realizing it.

As far as the left adjustment on the Hogg-it? With the center location of the string track on the 06' Bowtech's sight windage should NOT be even close to an issue with a proper rest tune.(ESPECIALLY if you offset the mounting bracket)

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OK, I slid my peep up and got my up/down to come pretty close to center ... I'm one "tick" mark above, which means the sights are actually one mark below. Good enough.

I'm still about as far out to the left as I can go, even though I'm hitting the bullseye dead center at seven yards (as far as I could get in the basement on this house; can't wait to move next month -- I'll be able to shoot 20 yards in the basement). I'll do some paper tuning in the next day or two, even thoughthe center shotlooks dead on eyeballing it.

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There's more than one place to have a rest and still hit the bullseye. As suggested, center shot the thing and start all over with the tuning.Kind of like those cunundrums..... if you go far enough out in one direction you'll find yourself coming back or some such foolishness. Or maybe it's that walking half wayinto the woods and then out or walking all the way through. [8D][8D][8D]

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I had a Spot Hogg last year. I had a few issues with it..similar to the same posted above. I sold mine on ebay (actually made $ off of it), and put on a trusy Copper John.

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Greg.

I dont know if you have done this or not.

Pull it apart and place the little block between the pin housing and the extension bar.

If you like I will snap a pic and post it so you will have a better understanding of what I am talking about.

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Aussie, that would move my pin housing to the right more... and I need it to go left. At least if I'm understanding you correctly...

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here is a visual;)

Like I said I dont know if you have already done this.

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Yep, did that right away.

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Here ya go; I just took a pic so you can see where I'm at. You'll see I've already got the spacer bar in place as you suggested, and you can also see I've only got one "tick" mark of adjustability left. If you saw my other thread where I posted some pics of a couple arrows I shot a while ago, you'll see I've got it pretty close to being where it needs to be -- I just don't like being at the end of my adjustability range...

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Greg.

You have it wrong.

I gotta run and get to work I will call you and explain it more then;)

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Russell,

It's actually comforting to hear you say that! ;)(that I've got it wrong!) At least hopefully that explains some things.... or will, at least.

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Yeah you DO have it wrong.........;)
LOL this is fun to watch.

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Yep, Matt... I feel like such a dunce now! :D

Russell walked me through it in about two seconds; I can't believe I didn't figure it out...

I actually thought about moving the bracket over like it needed to be before, but for some reason thought the screws that hold it all together needed to come in from the right side -- and that wouldmean there would be no threadsfor the screws to grab ahold of; once Russell had me insert the screws in from the left side, it all came together! Doh!

This is gonna give me tons more adjustability, and I could move the spacer bar over again if I needed to...

Thanks Russell; I really appreciate it!! Sorry I had to get off the phone so quickly; I had a few people waiting on me to decide where we were gonna go next after leaving the restaurant (I knew he was gonna call, so when I left the house I grabbed my bow and Allen wrench. I was out in the parking lot with the phone up to my ear making adjustments on the bow :D)... but I'm sure we'll be talking again in the future!!

Good hunting, and God bless!

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For those interested or who are following this, here's how it's supposed to look:

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Greg, my sight is put together like your first picture and my left/right adjustment is like your last picture. Guess the difference is in bows. My is a Switchback. Glad you got it right for your bow. How do you like the sight, overall?

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Greg-

Did you get the vertical adjustment taken care of?

mq-

I have a switchback as well. Is the vertical adjustment pretty much in the center? Does the Spot-Hogg come in a 3 pin vs. a 5 pin? I was looking on their website and it looks like they only have a 5 and 7 pin.

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Gut,

The pins are easily removable so you could make a 5 or 7 pin into a 3 and have back up pins.

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Westslope-

Do you the Spot Hogg? If so, is it worth the money as they look pretty expensive, at least on the website. What do they retail for at stores?

I have an HHA which I am very happy with. Single pin that is easily adjustable, very bright, and well built. does the Spot-Hogg have very bright pins?

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Yes, I slid the peep up my string, and that corrected that... (I'm probably anchoring just a slight bit differently than normal with this bow as its currently got the 28.5" mods installed; the 29's are on their way. I've shot a 29" draw length for years)

Believe it or not, after taking that second pic, I've had to swap the setup back to the way it was in the first pic! I ran out of adjustability the other direction this time! It just doesn't make sense, and I'm gonna play with it a whole bunch more; I'm just running out of daylight tonight.

As far as liking the sight... Yes, this thing is built like a tank! Seriously, it's so much more infinitely micro-adjustable than anything I've ever seen, with so many features like 2nd and 3rd axis leveling, as well as a vertical aiming wire and bubble level... and it's so solid, I can hardly believe it. Yes, they are extremely expensive, but most of the top-of-the-line sights are over $100 now, so when you think about that, and start realizing just how much more you get with this one, I think it's worth it...

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Gut,

I have several Spot-Hogg's and just haven't found another sight (IMHO) that matches up. Greg lists a bunch of the great features in an above post. Another thing I like is the ability to customise the sight either with a lens, different size pins (.019-.039 fiber or straight steel), a light or sunshade and the ability to be able to change sight pin assemblies without having to resight in.

The pins (again IMHO) are perfectly balanced between being too bright and not bright enough. I find that some of the other sites I tried with the huge fiber coils were so bright at times I could barely see past them or they just totally washed everything out. I have found these pins to be bright enough that I could see them right to the last minutes of the evening hunt (.029 pins) and yet are not too bright in the middle of a sunny white winter day.

As for retail cost I honestly haven't paid attention as I haven't purchased one for a while (plus I'd probably screw up during currency conversion).

Are they expensive? Maybe. Do you get what you pay for? Most definitely.

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Another great thinng about the site(if you're in a state that allows them) is that the sight light and bracket that you can buy for it is great. In fact, Len covered over my bulb with a magic marker to kill it it was so bright. Even blackening the bulb it still lights the pins great.

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Greg, I use the same Spott Hogg sight as you and have run in to the same problem. I just about run out of adjustment in one direction, so I move the sight to the opposite side of the extension bar and have the same problem in the opposite direction. As a matter of fact I just swapped the sight to another bow on Saturday to get set up for 3-D and guess what? Same problem. I'm thinking of putting some type of spacer between the sight and the riser. I'll place the sight on the left side of the bar (as viewed while aiming), and use the micro adjust to bring it as far right as it will allow (bow will be sighted in at this point).The spacer will bring it even further to the right which means I will have to adjust to the left to be properly sighted in, and this should give me adjustment in both directions.
I'm close to confusing myself now so I'm going to quit explaining.

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Gut Check, yeah, the vertical on my sight is one tick mark above dead center. Haven't seen a 3 pin, like you've seen on their website, the 5 pin Hunter and the Seven Deadly Pins sight.

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c-woods, I'm glad to see it's not just me! I've about driven myself batty with this thing today...

It literally doesn't make logical sense to me while I'm holding it and looking at it... When I've got the pin housing attached to the right side of the bar, I have to adjust all the way out so I that I've only got one tick mark left, like such:



Now... what's driving me batty is you can see the thickness of the bar that I'm screwing it into (thebar on the left which is actually a part of the piece the tick marks are on). So -- I would think that moving the pin housing to the other side of that (thus, placing it on the bar's left -- like Aussie-guy had me do) would mean that once you turned the micro-adjustable Allen wrench back the same distance that the bar is wide, it would be exactly right! But, I haven't been able to do this; when I move the pin housing to the left side, I have to go all the way to the end of the tick marks on the left to get it close... [:@]

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Ok...I tried my best to stay out of this full circle adjustment. I was hoping the experts here would lead you in the right direction.:)

The reason it goes to far the other direction is because you are actually moving the sight housing .480 to the left not the .240 that is required to center your adjustment with the 2006 BowTechs using this sight. Look at the sight and how it is engineered closely. You will see what I'm talking about.

In 2005 BowTech had a problem getting enough windage from arrow rests so this year they fixed that problem, but now you have a sight favoring one side. Pick your poison. :D2007 here we come.

If you want it perfect you need to machine off .175 total.It would be best to machine .0875 from each surface and get shorter allen screws, but this will make a strong sight weak.

On a positive note, I can dial my bow all the way down and shoot stiffer arrows than required and still have half a tick mark left of adjustment...point being I don't think you're going to have an issue with running out of adjustment unless your shooting Safari arrows out of your bow at 62 pounds.

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Greg, with our setups the sight needs to be right where the threaded piece is on the mcroadjust device. It has nothing to do with the bow in either of our cases (my bow is a Darton), we're just unlucky enough that with the bows tuned we need are sight placed exactly were the threaded piece is as I stated above.

It will take approx. 1/4'' or the .240 inches as stated by Mildot to get my sight centered. So as I stated in my earlier post I will put a spacer between the sight mount and riser to take care of it. I found a piece of 1'' wide by 1/4'' thick aluminum in my scrap metal stash that will work perfectly after drilling a couple holes. I suppose the mounting bolts will have to be a little longer also.

I would also like to state that I am not putting the sight down. Its without a doubt the best sight I've owned.

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OK, bear with me on this...

See the bar that extends out from the piece which has the "tick" marks on it? The piece that the pin housing actually screws into? If you follow the width of that back to those marks, you'll see it's four marks wide. So -- having said that -- if I simply unscrewed the pin housing and moved it to the other side of that little bar, like Aussie-guy had me do, it should line back up exactly where it is now if I just adjust the pin housing back to theleft four tick marks? That would mean the marker would be hitting one tick mark left of center, which would be ideal...

I mean, doesn't that make logical sense? But my arrows are hitting way right when I do that... ???

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Think of it this way. When your looking at the picture you posted, the left side of the sight pin housing is against the threaded piece (the bar that extends out as you described it above). When you move it to the other side, the right side of the sight pin housing is against the threaded piece. Therefore you aremoving it the thickness of both pieces which equals 8 ''tick'' marks and since there is only 8 ticks of adjustment we end up with theexact oppositeproblem on the other side.

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C, I understand exactly what you're saying, and it's good to see we're talking the same language...

and maybe that's the problem, is that it equals 8 "tick" marks, but it seems to me like you would actually only be moving it the width of threaded piece (or the bar that extends out, as I described it earlier)... which would only be 4 ticks. I mean, that's really all I'm moving it, I think...