PaulBear

I help teach a hunter saftey course,there was a post about a 14 year old being shot by his dad in ohio, well i printed the posting and took in to the class and read it and also read the response's from all of you it got thier attention,well 2 day's after reading it we decided to set up a mock hunt using 3d target's and paintball gun's as the weapon's, and we also set up 3 of our 3d's on a moving trolley so they would be coming out of the tall grass and around a group of tree's. We have 11 kid's and 4 adult's in our program and we sent them 1 at a time through the course getting scored on each station as they went through the course and came up on the one's that move is where we wanted to really observe now we had a couple guy's in camo on a couple of the station's hide and had them slowly move when some one came to that station, now one of the guy's carried a set of rattling antler's and when he would walk out of the tall grass he would pause and have the antler's in front of him just enough so they could be seen and then would step out sudden like.Now out of the group 2 fired when the guy stepped out and 1 fired when the antler's where showed now the one's who did well were rewarded with thier saftey permit's the one's who shot before the target was identified failed,2 out of the 3 were adult's and are mad and claim it is not right to fail them,would like your opion's on this if it sound's like a good teaching tool then we are going to try to make it a requirement part of hunter saftey program through the state and will use your opion's as ammo for it thank's

bad czech

Sounds like a good idea to me. Can't believe they were mad looks like they would greatful they were just using paint ball guns.

deerdust

I think it sounds like an excellant addition to your program. For those that failed, ask them if they would want to be on the receiving end, when it is real guns or bows. There is just no excuse for firing at what you cannot see. Movement in the brush or antlers, does not make a deer, it is merely a reason to take a closer look and identify what is coming out of the brush.

The best of luck in all your hunting endeavors!!!

God Bless,
Dave

FroMan

Sounds like a good idea to me too. Thank goodness they used paintball guns to shoot that guy instead of a real one!

"If a lie is repeated often enough, the gullible public will eventually believe it." -- Paul Joseph Goebbels (Chief Minister of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda for Adolph Hitler)

chef#1

WHAT A GREAT TEACHING TOOL. FOR THE ONES THAT FAILED-- SHAME ON YOU FOR SHOOTING AT SOMETHING YOU CANNOT POSITIVLY IDENTIFY. PERSONALLY I THINK THEY SHOULD ATTEND THE CLASS FOR A SECOND TIME THEN SEE HOW THEY DO.

HUNT ON HUNT HARD EAT WELL

titleist

Really great idea!!! I'm personally glad those people aren't in the woods. Makes you wonder though..... That high of a failure rate with that teaching tool. carry that same percentage over to the rest of the hunting world...WOW!!!

Tree climber

I think that is a great teaching tool.nothing like real life situation to get a point across.

for those that failed the course should not be able to get a license until they pass the course next year. a grownup that get mad because they failed shows how what they teach there kids.

there is no excuse for shooting a person or anything that is not the game you'r after,"NO EXCUSE AT ALL,NONE WHAT SO EVER,ANY"!!!!!
"Just my 2 cents,there are 98 more"

I am not a hunter I am a whitetail population reduction specialest

remember keep your back to the sun, your knife sharp, and your powder dry.

NJ-Bowhunter

That sounds like a great "real-life" simulation that you've incorporated into your testing. Those who faild obviously were not paying enough attention to their targets and were making too many assumptions when deciding if it was safe to shoot. The adults are angry that you failed them!?! How can they possibly justify that they are worthy of a passing grade, and safety concious individuals that should join the ranks of licensed hunters, when they fired upon people during their testing. That is just utterly rediculous. It can be you or I next ime that they shoot at "by accident" and the weapons could be real. In my opinion, you've developed a great method and should continue using it. Anything that can assist in identifying weakness or incompetence is definitely worthwile when peoples lives are at risk.

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Paul L Mohr

I like that idea and on a personal and moral level I agree with you. But, if this is a government funded class or something it must have some sort of curriculum and an outlined exam in order to pass the course and get a card. If this little test you did was not part of that curriculum or outlined in the class guide or something, you really can't use it as a basis to fail a student or deny them the card. If they passed what was required of them as set up by the state then they should get the card, that is what they paid for after all.

I am not saying I disagree with you, I don't, I like your aproach and it proved a good point. I am just saying be careful how you go about it from a legal standpoint. Some guys are very sue happy. And I doubt the state would back you up on it. They want to sell the tags, that's how they make money. I don't want to see you get in trouble or anything.

I think it's cool how the kids had better judgement than the adults though.

Like I said, I like what you did, but I wanted you to know how I would argue it if it were me in that situation. Is there something that says you can fail someone on your judgement alone? If there was, that would cover you. You could say in your expert opinion the two guys were not safe enough to pass.

Good luck,

Paul

P.S. I am not a lawyer or anything, just a smart ass that likes to look at every angle.

trapperDave

I cant imagine a court room where these people could sucessfully sue! You have come upon a GREAT idea that should be incorporated in EVERY state.IMO I cant imagine someone being mad for being failed for that, if it was me I would hide my face in SHAME!