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Old 10-09-2002, 02:16 PM
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We can't bait here in MO, and I am glad we can't. I know there are slobs who do hunt over bait. Do some work, learn what the deer are doing and when, and hunt them accordingly.
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Jesus...Give me a break!!! If you have never been around it, haven't a clue about it, then don't condemn it!!!! slobs...please..

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Old 10-09-2002, 03:43 PM
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You guys haven't a clue...This thread is always good for a little spirited debate so here it is.

Most hunters in Texas use some type of feeder to supliment the deer over the winter and many feed protein pellots and corn throughout the year to encourage strong antler developement and to maintain general health of the herd.

Now yes we do also hunt around these areas &quot;sometimes&quot; but you will seldom find a mature buck around one in daylight. The conditions here are just different. One problem we have here in Texas is most of the ranches are more like woodlots in that there is seldom well defined bedding areas and the food sources are ususally distributed over the entire pasture. What these feeding areas do is provide a starting point in your scouting from which you can backtrack, read sign, basicly find ambush points just like you guys do. My point is we are not unethical slobs or lazy hunters like you would have others believe. We are the same, ethical, woodsmen as you just under different conditions.

It is not like you think, the deer won't eat out of your hand. Far from it. We are no less hunters than youselves...

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Old 10-09-2002, 05:00 PM
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Agree 100% Fletch!

On the baiting -vs- CWD issue. At one of Wisconsins CWD meetings , the truth behind the DNR's eagerness to ban baiting finally came out. The &quot;ban baiting to prevent CWD&quot; was the perfect smoke screen the DNR needed to do what they've wanted to do for some time. A local bioligist spilled the beans so to speak when he said that &quot;because of baiting , Wisconsin is failing to keep deer numbers in check&quot;<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> I can see his point in that regard , as alot of hunters would feed the deer all winter long which would drastically reduce the number of winter kills. It has never been proven anywhere that baiting spreads CWD.

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Old 10-09-2002, 07:08 PM
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fletchtop from texas, what are you talking about?? i didnt say any of that, are we a little touchy?? arent deer in texas the size of dogs?? we have 300 lb'ers in ny! im talking about cwd not antler growth! im talking snowmobilers feeding them, but you dont have snow right?? anyone who feeds is cheating as far as i can see, keep the does there and the bucks are there also! and isnt baiting vague, i mean if you use apple scents isnt that like baiting??
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Old 10-09-2002, 07:32 PM
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We can't bait here in MO, and I am glad we can't. I know there are slobs who do hunt over bait. Do some work, learn what the deer are doing and when, and hunt them accordingly.
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Jesus...Give me a break!!! If you have never been around it, haven't a clue about it, then don't condemn it!!!! slobs...please..

Good Luck All....Fletch
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Whoa, I need to explain myself. The way I wrote it your right.

What I mean by slobs is those who are baiting in MO when its illegal. I didn't mean to call legal baiters slobs. I am still not for baiting, but if its legal I didn't mean to infer the people are slobs.

And I prefer not to be around it. I think there are proper ways to bait, ways to help keep deer apart such as spreading the bait out more and such. The bait I typically see is corn, dumped on a 3-4' diameter pile on the ground. If nose to nose contact is an issue (and like I said before, who knows for sure??), then why not spread that same bait on a 20'X 20' area to help keep the deer apart? Is it too much work to do that?

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Old 10-09-2002, 08:04 PM
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A local bioligist spilled the beans so to speak when he said that &quot;because of baiting , Wisconsin is failing to keep deer numbers in check&quot;
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Elaborate a little on this statement. I don't understand what the biologist meant by this comment....

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That was not meant for you, I understand your post was not intended to turn into a &quot;ethics debate&quot;. I did get a little irritated by the implication that anyone who chooses to suplimental feed is a &quot;slob&quot; (Huckleburrys post) or, not &quot;REAL HUNTERS&quot; as Smitty 1 would have you believe.

Smitty 1, I spend lots of time in the woods during preseason, just like you. I love to visit the pasture, scouting, sitting stands with my video camera, adjusting stand locations when travel patterns aren't as expected. Isn't that what &quot;REAL HUNTERS&quot; do.

Monsterbuckland, your right about the deer size. I wish I could say they were big but the truth is, the bucks I hunt will only avg 120-140 lbs., 200 pounders are very rare indeed but sometimes one will hit the ground. That has nothing to do with health of the herd though, I think there's something like ,what, 25 or so different subspecies. They basicly have adapted to their climate over time, or at least that's what I think...
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how hard is it to get up @ 9:00 a.m. go to the feeder and wait for the first buck to show up,,, com'on guys
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This is exactly the myth I am trying to address. I wish you could come spend a weekend with me and see how it really is. The conditions we hunt are just different, the terain, the natural food supply, how and where they bed up.

While it is true that YEARLING BUCKS AND DOES could sometimes be harvested if a person sits over a feeder at 9:00 AM like you suggest. We just don't target that age group for harvest. The deer we do harvest as I said before just don't come to those feeders during daylight, rut or no rut, they just don't come. So we spend 90% of our time hunting ambush points &quot;just like you&quot;. As a group, we are not &quot;LAZY, SLOPPY, UNETHICAL&quot; hunters, just bowhunter who love the challenge of going head to head with a mature buck, nothing like it...

Man I sure could use some help here from my Texas buddies..how bout it guys.......Brothers in bowhunting...Fletch




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Old 10-09-2002, 08:07 PM
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Sorry Huckleburry, I didn't read your latest post untill I had already posted my &quot;novel&quot;.....Good debate though...Fletch

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Old 10-09-2002, 08:38 PM
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Fletch , the point he was trying to make was that baiting or feeding was contributing to the ever growing population which the DNR has been trying to get under control. In years past , we would have big winter kills (deer kills from too much snow and lack of food) , especially in the northern regions during a harsh winter. Within the last 10 - 15 years or so baiting or feeding has become so popular that deer that would normally die from the harsh winter are surviving because of the feeding. Hunting groups along with alot of individual hunters that I personally know , would continue to feed after deer season throughout the winter to keep a large deer herd in their area. At least he was being honest about the reason baiting and feeding needed to stop , he feels the DNR would have a better chance of controling the deer herd numbers if we let nature take it's course during harsh winters.

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