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OLD WIVES TALES...Let's Here 'em!
Ok, as we speak, in this bowhunting forum there is a hunter dropping a fistful of acorns one at a time to lure deer to his stand as if ringing a "dinner bell" of sorts and another who heard from an "old timer" that depending on the phases of the moon most of the blood in a deer could either be concentrated in it's feet or in it's head. And just the other day I had a "hunter" telling me that he had a big buck blow at him that morning while in his tree stand. I asked him how big the buck was and he said he never saw it but was sure it was a buck because "does don't blow"...hmmmmm...just when I thought I'd heard it all...
Since many beginners, and veterans for that matter, come to this forum to gain knowledge, I say we get all of the wives tales out in the open so we can attempt to separate fact from fiction. Who knows, maybe something I think is b.s. may actually be so. Let's here 'em!!!! |
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I used to believe, after being told by my Dad and his Uncle, that deer bed down when it rains. After coming to this board I have learned differently.
However, I still swore on that COLD, COLD rainy day in Sicily, as my teeth chattered uncontrollably and my hands were too numb to hold a pencil, that I would never stand out in the rain again. Maybe I'll rethink that, maybe not.:) -Brad Eastern Nebraska Bowhunter |
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I am sure I have heard them but I let them go in one ear and out the other.
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"Why ain't I seein' any deer?"
"'Cause they done went nocturnal!" FOOLPROOF? Never underestimate the power of a fool! |
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Deer pellets that are clumped together means its a buck. (False)
Deer pellets that are not clumped together means it is a doe. (False) It all depends on the deers diet. I've seen both of them crap in the pasture along the woodline behind my house and went out to investigate. The doe had a bad case of the clumpies that day and the next day a 6 pt. that I had been watching let out a bunch of loose pellets. In other words, don't look at deer crap if you are trying to determine the sex of the deer. Ain't gonna happen. ****I'd rather be a fence post in Texas than a corn boy in Ohio**** |
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Deer don't go Nocturnal...umm?
Big bucks will only inhabit large tracks of bush. They won't crawl or burrow to remain concealed. Very false, I have seen mule deer sit in burrows next to a low fence and just sit their, with no cover within miles. Hunting the wind doesn't matter that much, if your in the right spot they'll come regardless. "Forget the wind.......Just hunt"....scentlokt suits ad. Can tell how much snow we're going to have by how high the muskrat huts are on the ice. Edited by - skeeter 7mm on 10/08/2002 17:00:49 |
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Alright, I was the guy who posted the "blood in the feet" topic but it was just for discussion and sometimes those old timers are worth listening too. I did however see where one of the replies, cyclones, said that the amount of blood on the trail has more to do with whether the deer was inhaling or exhailing at the time of the shot...Hmmm...What about that one guys...Good luck all...Fletch
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yeah i like when they people are like yeah i had a big buck by m the other day, "how many points was he" oh i didnt see him but he sounded big lol
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"Dont look a deer in the eyes , you'll spook em"
The deer in my neck of the woods must not have heard that one , I cant count how many stare downs I've had with deer that ended at the gut pile.  "Nocked,cocked & ready to rock" |
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BOWFANATIC, I've had several encounters at really close range that ended poorly when I made direct eye contact. I still believe they can sense the predator eyes...Fletch
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Are you sure it couldn't have had anything to do with scent<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>
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BOWFANATIC, I guess it could be scent related but at times I could sense the very moment they recognized me as dangerous, many times it happened the moment we made eye contact. I guess it's kinda like spraying fish attractant on your fishing lure and getting a bite. Can't really prove whether it wouldn't have happened anyway, all we have is our instincts and common sense to make the judgement you know..Thanks for the friendly debate anyway..Good Luck..Fletch
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There was a time when many hunters did not wear camoflage because "deer are color blind". We all wore jeans and a green or gray flanel shirt. The only thing everyone did was paint your bow with brown paint because the finish glare would scare the deer.
(No one knew about scent control either. Take a shower. Bring your coffee and roll, cigarettes to the stand. Pee wherever and whenever.) |
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"I know its a buck track, because I can see the dew claws imprint, and only bucks leave this sign." (Very false - all deer can leave this imprint in snow or soft mud, or when running)
Or "its got to be a buck track because its splayed" (also usually false - sure heavier deer tend to leave splayed prints, but all deer can and do when running or turning sharply) or "its a buck track because its dragging its feet in the snow" (usually false - all deer will drag their feet in snow more than a couple inches - there is some truth that a foot dragging gait, in snow less than 1" could be a buck.) I've always said -"the only way to be sure if a track is a buck or doe, is to observe the animal making the track" - period. There are no hardfast rules regarding identifying buck tracks, its just too difficult - with too many variables. That being said, I do give special consideration to LARGE tracks that are wider then 2". While not foolproof, its usually an indication of a mature deer (doe or buck) both of which are wary animals. A confirmed mature deer track regardless of the sex of the deer that made it, indicates that something about where that deer traveled made it feel secure enough to be there. If other sign (rubs, scrapes, etc) indicate that a buck(s) are using the area, I will rely on the Mature deer track, to help me locate my stand.  |
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i believe that deer crap method and havent been proved wrong....and i will always squeeze some out when gutting them and until im proved wrong i believe it...i dont see how you can look out a window long enough to watch a deer do its buiesness then run out there and play with it!! i dont think id watch out the window all day to watch a deer crap in my field...then run and play with it!!! but if you do thats great u proved me wrong if you can really find the pile of crap that the deer u watched for hours laid in your field....
the one i like is if you kill an albino you will never see another deer agian...i wonder if its true...if it is i hope to find out becuase if i ever see one and its legal its getting dropped...  |
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A few I remember my grandpa saying...
"If a squirrel runs across the road,the fish are biting" "If smoke comes out of the chimney and goes right to the ground it is going to rain" "It's best to fish/hunt during a falling,steady,or rising barometer" "If smoke from the chimney goes straight up,it isn't windy" "Red in the morning,hunters take warning" "Red at night means hunters delight" My grandpa was an avid outdoorsman,and I began to notice over the years he made things up so no matter what the weather,moon phase,or whatever it was always the "best time" to hunt or fish.I try to live by those same basic ideas. Visit me at www.ATVTime.com! |
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" You need to bleed em out " What the heck did that broadhead through the vitals just do? It is not only ridiculous it is my worst nightmare as a taxidermist.
" If it would cool off the deer would start rutting " The rut is triggered by the amount of daylight hitting a does eyes which in turn triggers chemical reactions in her body to cause her to go into estrous. "That buck is in full rut, just look at his neck" A buck is capable of breeding a doe at any point when he loses his velvet as his hormone levels increas he becomes more interested,but It is the doe that enters estrous and actually "goes into full rut". That buck's neck is swolen due to the work over he has been giving every thing he can with his rack. |
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Little bucks don't rub big trees....I have witnessed the contrary.
I know I will catch a lot of flack for this one but the theory of wounded bucks always heading for water simply is not accurate. In the many tracking jobs I have done over the years, more often than not the location of water played no role in finding the animal. |
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Little bucks don't rub big trees....I have witnessed the contrary. I know I will catch a lot of flack for this one but the theory of wounded bucks always heading for water simply is not accurate. In the many tracking jobs I have done over the years, more often than not the location of water played no role in finding the animal. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> I would agree with you on wounded deer in general , but the rule I've gone by is gut-shot deer head for water and in my experience (twice helped buddy and father in-law) it has a 100% success ratio. |
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If it turns cold the bucks will go in to rut.Hey it is the homone clock and time of the year not the weather man. If this is true ,then the bucks in South Texas would never go in to rut.Heck I hunted down there in 90 dergree temps and the bucks were running does like crazy.
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Old Wives Tales... well OK.. my wife's tail is so OLD...
How old is it??? Nah.. I better not go there. OK, the tail thing. People believe a flag up and you missed or not fatal hit and all that... NOT always true. |
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deer don't move much when it's hot. The most deer movement I've seen all season was last Saturday and it was 90 degrees.
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How about "Deer don't look up".
LOL...I swear, maybe it's just me, but it seems like all the places I hunt....they walk along looking around and up almost always. I got picked out last weekend by a doe that had no idea I was there, I didn't move, the wind was in my favor and I was 20 feet up in a tree with plenty of cover...that I had never been in before. She stopped, looked around, and then up into the trees...scanning the area. When she got to me...she locked on me, freaked out a little, and ran about 20 yds and stopped and looked back. Then went on feeding...LOL... I'm sure any of you who have hunted a while have seen this happen. It seems like it's only gotten worse over the years...like it's bred into them now. 15 years ago, it didn't seem to happen very often. |
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Why ain't I seein' any deer?"
"'Cause they done went nocturnal!"<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> So you don't think deer go nocturnal???????????? <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>"Dont look a deer in the eyes , you'll spook em" <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> That also is true. I don't know if they see the movement of your eyeballs or what but I know that to be a fact. I have found out the hard way on several different occaisions. On know scent didn't have anything to do with it. Deer that scent a human normally don't stick around for a 5 minute stare down. <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Or "its got to be a buck track because its splayed" (also usually false - sure heavier deer tend to leave splayed prints, but all deer can and do when running or turning sharply) <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> You can tell though if a deer is turning or running. I have gotten down and went and looked at the tracks after deer come through on several occaisions and I have never found an exception to the "if it's a spayed track it's a buck, if not it's a doe" rule. Protect your hunting rights, "Spay or neuter a liberal." |
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Dont piss or take a dump near your stand .I dont think it makes any diferance .Last year my buddy got down to take a dump when he was through he went to climb back up and there was a deer at 20 yards he got him . I also took a piss in a scrape and the next morning shot a nice 7 point , so forget those bottels and trying to hold it piss off of your stand it will not make a diferance,now sweat is something else just get slightly sweaty and watch them run and blow . Does love to stomp and blow.
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How about "you better cut off the tarsal gland asap or all of the meat on the deer will spoil".
I do think deer...especially older bucks, will go almost completely 100% nocturnal if pressured too much. I do not believe you can tell the sex of a deer by the clumping or non-clumping of it's feces. I think for the most part the big log-type terds are from bucks but I think bucks can let the pebbles fall out of their arse one by one also. I think it mostly depends on diet. I looked an 8 point buck in the eyes for over 30 minutes on Sunday morning at distances of 5 yards out to 20 yards. He used every sense possible to figure out what I was...he smelled me, stared at me, listened to me, and everything but climb up the stand and lick me to see what I tasted like. I just continued to stare at him. He eventually began feeding again until he meandered out of sight. I don't think I would have had the same luck had he been a mature buck...at the first wiff of me he would have been gone, but young bucks are young, dumb, and inexperienced. |
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When the wind is out of the west, deer move best. When the wind is out of the east the deer move the least. Not totally false in my experiences(ie. usually much cooler with west winds).
Deer can see the white of your eyes... C'mon, you've got to be kidding me here. Weather does not determine the rut, true, however weather plays a HUGE role in deer movement during the rut, especially in the southern states, where temps can range from 0-90 during the winter. Hunt the thickets |
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My Grandma use to say if the cows are feeding at night, it means a weather change in 3 days. Well duh, weather changes about every three days anyway !!
She also use to believe that hot water freezes faster. Stealthycat's Photo's |
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You gotta love the deer smell human pee tale. Last year, I peed out of my stand in gun season and had a 6 point come by and stand 30 yards from me. This year on opening morning I peed out of my stand and shot a doe an hour later. It makes no difference. If I gotta go number 2 I will go a little away from my stand. Not because the deer might smell it, but because I don't want to smell it.<img src=icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Hey Stealthycat...sorry man but Grandma was right...hot water does freeze faster than cold water...read below.
"The fact that hot water freezes faster than cold has been known for many centuries. The earliest reference to this phenomenon dates back to Aristotle in 300 B.C. The phenomenon was later discussed in the medieval era, as European physicists struggled to come up with a theory of heat. But by the 20th century the phenomenon was only known as common folklore, until it was reintroduced to the scientific community in 1969 by Mpemba, a Tanzanian high school student. Since then, numerous experiments have confirmed the existence of the "Mpemba effect," but have not settled on any single explanation." |
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Hey Stealthycat...sorry man but Grandma was right...hot water does freeze faster than cold water...read below.
"The fact that hot water freezes faster than cold has been known for many centuries. The earliest reference to this phenomenon dates back to Aristotle in 300 B.C. The phenomenon was later discussed in the medieval era, as European physicists struggled to come up with a theory of heat. But by the 20th century the phenomenon was only known as common folklore, until it was reintroduced to the scientific community in 1969 by Mpemba, a Tanzanian high school student. Since then, numerous experiments have confirmed the existence of the "Mpemba effect," but have not settled on any single explanation." |
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grandma was wrong. Hot water dropps in temperature faster, because it has farther to go. it does not freeze faster. The Water must go thru several phases. as it get's colder, it dropps to the bottom of the container, then when it freezes it becomes less dense (expands)and rises to the top and crystalizes. the loss of heat is the loss of energy. the loss of energy is going to be greater in a body that has more energy. but a body of water with less energy is going to achieve a state of "frozen" faster than one with higher energy....provided all other factors are the same.
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wolfen,
Don't take this the wrong way because you know you're still my hero<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> But I have tested this hypothesis myself(not saying that I was completely sober) but I found that in every situation that the cooler water froze first. Now I didn't try a wide range of cool vs. warm temperatures but with all of the ones I tried the cool water froze first. Of course I am an unedjumacated redneck. I assume from the experiments that I have been done that it is a possibility but it is the exception rather than the rule. Protect your hunting rights, "Spay or neuter a liberal." |
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I think BOWFANATIC is right on about the wounded deer seeking water. (I'm hessitant to say that cause he beat me up pretty bad on that "eye" thing) I think a doublelunger is sprinting for his life and could care less. When a deer lives long enough to "think about it", and water is nearby, you had better check it!!!... HuntingBry I remember seeing an interview with Ted Nugent one time and he said that he drinks lots of applejuice in preparation for an upcoming hunt. He claims he will go out of his way to pee by his stand and thinks the applePEE is an atractant...To each his own I guess.. Good Luck All....Fletch |
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How bout this one...
I've know a guy who stops eating meat when preparing for a hunt. He claims the reason deer smell us so strongly is because of their natural fear of "meateaters". Claims deer can smell if you've been eating meat....WOW...What next... Good Luck All....Fletch |
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Fletchdp, I am not refering to a mortally wounded deer (as in a double lunger). I have trailed many liver hit and a few gut shot animals that never sought out water though it was obviously available. I am aware of the fever theory when a deer is wounded, but my experience has not shown me that it is true even half of the time. Everyone has a right to their opinion and I wouldn't argue with anyone over such a trivial matter. I am simply stating what my experience has been. :)
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