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RE: Shot a big one need advise (150 class)
Even if atlasman was right, the wayhe is desperatly trying to make his point worthwhile with his three hundred quotes, smart remarks and constant bashing makes it no more credible than a 5 year old which is how he is responding, good lord. The guy made 2 mistakes, he knows what he did wrong, let him use the boards for educational purposes which is part of what its for, not to demeanor the guy, belittle him, etc ... yeah he could have mortally wounded an animal, get over it, its hunting, it happens, the foxes, coyotes, buzzards have to eat and most deer populations are out of control anyhow, so thisbuck wont die starving in the winter, getting mauled alive by wolves or coyotes,or laying in a ditch with a broken back after being plowed by avehicle. Maybe if you help the guy go over what he did wrongthen next timeit wont happen.
You can qoute me here atlasman since you are so good at it and seem to really get a thrill doing it... Its a good thing atlasman hasNEVER made a mistake, thats why he can bash on others that have. cmcat50 all I can say is we ALL make mistakes (except atlasman obviously), you realized what you did wrong, use it for a learning experience and keep looking, look along creeks nearby, look for turkey buzzards, follow the trail he was using after he was hit or go the direction he was heading for a mile ifyou have to, spend a few afternoons looking, thats the ethical thing to do bud. Nothing to see here people, move along!!! |
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Neck shots.....they either,
1. Pile up on the spot (spine) 2. Bleed like hell for less than 100 yds then pile up (jugular/esophagus) 3. Bleed like hell for over 100 yds, never to be seen again (flesh wound) That's it, no other options. I stupidly shot a deer in the neck on purpose in my early years of bowhunting. Blood trailed her over 150 yds then nothing. We saw her three days later with a big, crusty scab on her neck, healthy as a horse. |
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So, what have we learned here?
Stay calm. Don't get buck fever. Don't rush your shot. After you make the shot give the deer plenty of time to expire before the recovery effort. After you've given the deer ample time to expire never give up until you find it. If you don't find it then don't come on this forum and ask for help from more experienced hunters unless you want to be gut shot and burned in he!! from certain people. A new word. (doltish) :D There are some hunters that really do want to help although they don't agree with the bad decisions that were made in the heat of the moment. They will admit that any advice given won't be as good as the lesson you've learned from this experience. It takes a lot of guts to admit when you're wrong. If something like this were to happen to me, this board would be the last place I'd come for help. Try to stay positive and keep looking. |
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atleast he admits his mistakes unlike most people?
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Also learned if I ever make a bad shot don't mention it here on this forum. If you bowhunt you will eventually make bad shot. I shot a deer a couple years ago and really thought it was a good shot but it wasn't. Recovered the deer but the angle wasn't like I thought.
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atlasman...when I started hunting there where not any hunter education classes. No one in my family deer hunted. Everything I learned has been from personal experience. When I shot the doe in the neck I didn't know that wasn't a good shot. I have since taken 42 deer with my bow. I feel I'm a good hunter now but getting to this point didn't happen overnight. I don't know how long you have hunted or how many deer you've killed but I'm curious if you have made mistakes at anytime since you've deer hunted. Some hunters are better than others but I know guys that have hunted for years that still get so nervous that they can hardly make the shot. It's also not how long you've hunted but how many encounters you have. You can hunt 10 years andkill one deeror hunt one year and kill 10 deer. I think you'll learn more in the one year. I have no sympathy for the guys that pick up their bow for the first time the day season comes in and then makes a bad hit because he has not shot his bow all year. However if a guy is making an effort to do his best and he is lacking experience then I can overlook some things.I guess I would rather try and encourage someone to do better than to talk to him like a child and embarrass him into change.
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cmscat50, I believe that you are toa gooddegree, sorry for your lack of judgment. However, defending yourself from atlasman's or anyone'sobservations/comments for that matter only go to counterbalance your remorse. I can't offer you any advice on how to recover your buck since I'm a new bowhunter but I can suggest that you just take everything said here like a man and learn from it. 150 times in the woods makes you no rookie. What you did was extremely unintelligent, especially for a seasoned hunter. It is inexcusable. Just nod your head and continue to offer your apologies, not to us but to the animal and mother nature. I'm sure you agreethat doing so has to be a thousand times easier than what the animal is going or went through.
atlasman, your approach and choice of words was a bit harsh but I do feel as you do. All the "candy coating" and "pats on the back" have to stop in this country. It's bad enough we're teaching our children that failure is ok, now we're reciprocating it with other adults too? I think wemust put a stop to this perpetual motion and quit raising new generations of excuse makers. Doing wrong is only excusable when you don't know any better i.e a child or in this case, rookie hunter.And sorry doesn't make it okay or better.If this were a thread about a guy not being sure of his target and rushed his shotonly tomistakenly hita hiker would we be so forgiving? A life is a lifeeven if a deer's.So if you're going to take one, try your best to make sure as much of it as possible ends up on dinner plates and not in a swamp somewhere. Be safe everyone, and cmscat50 get a hold ofa tracking dog. |
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[quote]ORIGINAL: atlasman
ORIGINAL: bjanakos Lighten up Frances!!! Lighten Up Frances! Really, There is a positive. The guy screwed up, he knows it, we ALL know it now!!! So he takes this experience, remembers it, and does not ever do it again. When he takes his sons and grandsons hunting, he will remind them of his experience, and more will learn from his mistake. |
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Good luck, I hope you find him. At least next time I think it will be easier to do the right thing. With all the heat you are getting.
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cmscat50, I'm really sorry for ya and I'm not trying to single you out.
That being said, I am sick and tired of these kind of posts. I'm all for helping out a hunter, but it upsets me that so many bowhunters exercise such poor judgment. Poor judgment in hunt planing, shot selection, follow-up and tracking, etc. etc. Bottom line, if you can't exercise a little will power and suppress the feelings of excitement, you really shouldn't be hunting period... IMO... |
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Well this thread has been beat on bad enuf, but I still have some advice to offer.
I have shot 2 does now this fall. First one was 10 yards or so from me, I double lunged her. I looked for my arrow for a few minutes after the shot (I was on the ground), left the area (I heard her crash in a standing corn field), posted up on here that I drew my first blood of the year.....Waited a good 2 hours or so, went out with help to track (a blind guy could follow the blood trail), found her within 80 yards of the shot stiff as a board. 2nd deer I shot was a week or so ago now, another doe. Shot her quartering towards me ever so slightly at 25 yards. Seen the arrow make a complete pass-thru. She trotted about 50 yards. Licked her nose and tried to scent me (I was on the ground hunting). Watched blood pumping out of her in between her shoulder blades, watched her lay down. Snuck out the area 1/2 mile back to my pickup. Drove home, waited a good 2 hours or so. Got the flashlights ready, went out, and slowly walked up to the spot she layed down at, and she had expired in that spot. The moral of the story, wait at least a few hours before tracking a deer, even if you know you made a good shot on it. I have been on a few escapades over the years helping my buddies track deer for up to 2 miles on poor shots after they pushed them too quick. The magazine writers may say its alright to pursue in a half hour, but the real world is alot different from the TV/Magazine world. Also - no one is perfect, its good you came here and admitted you did something wrong, and sorry that you got jumped on. Hopefully, you find your deer, and if not, lets hope you learned a valuable lesson. |
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Thanks for all the advise guys.
I did get out for a few more hours yesterday and couldn't find any more blood. Today I will be changing tactics if we can't locate any more blood in a timely manner. I will have a small group of guys and we will grid walk the area where I believe he went. We will also follow the river just for kicks as many suggest the animal might have headed for water. Once again, though it's burried about 5 pages back I know I made a couple STUPID mistakes. There was no excuse for the bad shot and there is no excuse for getting on him so soon. I DID NOT PURPOSELY shoot him in the neck! Afterwards my nerves got the best of me as I was kidding myself to think that a neck shot quickly killed the biggest buck I've ever seen. I really do feel terrible and NO ONE here has more respect for wildlife than I do....NOT possible. I don't go to the woods looking to kill a deer. I go to the woods as I enjoy the interaction with nature. I wish I could figure out a way to re-size the picture of this beautiful buck, but I don't have a program and my LR camera is on the 4 MP setting. Thanks again for all the advise fellas....and I guess the flames get the point across also. |
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atlasman I thought hunters were suppose to have each others back ? Is what cmscat50 did illegal ?
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Is that blood on that deers neck?
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that isnt' funny
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I dont post much on the bowhunting forum because it seems like there are alot of professionals on this part of the forum, but i have to comment on this. Atlasman you are a true 100% genuine PRICK, I know you are perfect and never mess up or have made a bad shot. You are a perfect bowhunting and killing machine. To be honest you are nothing but a jackazz and a jerk LIVE WITH THAT, dont comment back or you will just show more of your ignorance, and if you read all the pages on this thread i am not alone
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I'll second that. Apparently Assassman is truely carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders. Hope he can save us all.
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I am going to second what trophyhuntr said.
cmscat50 Keep your chin up. Keep looking, don't give up. Atlas- I fart in you direction sir! |
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ORIGINAL: trophyhuntr I dont post much on the bowhunting forum because it seems like there are alot of professionals on this part of the forum, but i have to comment on this. Atlasman you are a true 100% genuine PRICK, I know you are perfect and never mess up or have made a bad shot. You are a perfect bowhunting and killing machine. To be honest you are nothing but a jackazz and a jerk LIVE WITH THAT, dont comment back or you will just show more of your ignorance, and if you read all the pages on this thread i am not alone I don't necessarily agree with the vehicle and method Atlasman is using to share his opinion about this incident but I do agree that some things we as hunters do are inexcusable. Bad shots are part of bow hunting, however jumping out of a tree in 30 minutes after a questionable shot is not acceptable. I think we, as hunters need to stress how poor of a decision this was just to prevent even one other hunter from doing this in the future. Cmscat50 will have to live with his decisions not us. We need to be open and honest with each other because many of us learn about hunting through these boards by others successes and fallers. |
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He asked politely for advice and not to be ragged on. Do you all honestly believe you are telling him or us anything we don't already know by telling him how bad his actions were? He knows that already, that is why he wanted only advice. I guess your mothers should have taught you all the old saying, "if you can't say something nice.............."
I am sure you all have made mistakes, hell I have. If you say you haven't you are lying. I am sure his friends are going to give him enough hell over it. He wanted advice. Not crap from a bunch of self absorbed, self serving, omniscient *******s. You guys are perfect. We know that already. Oh yea and Atlas is a jackazz! |
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I'll give this thread another half hour before it'll get locked up, maybe not even that long.
I stopped posting a bunch on the bowhunting forum for various reasons the biggest of them being the cat fighting that takes place in here on a constant basis, especially during season. It's absolutely astounding that a bunch of bow hunters whine and fight and piss all over each other the way we see in this forum. If I were an anti, I'd be laughing my butt off reading some of these threads thinking that a common foundation of the love of deer hunting isn't enough to keep bowhunters from scratching and clawing at each other. Funny, but pathetic. Losing a deer is the hardest part of hunting and leaves you with a horrific feeling most if not all of the season and on into the next. Do your best to find him. If you don't find him, oh well, life goes on with a lesson under your cap. |
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Bottom line, if you can't exercise a little will power and suppress the feelings of excitement, you really shouldn't be hunting period... IMO... |
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ORIGINAL: Diesel77 yeah he could have mortally wounded an animal, get over it, its hunting, it happens Great attitude. You can qoute me here atlasman since you are so good at it and seem to really get a thrill doing it... Its a good thing atlasman hasNEVER made a mistake, thats why he can bash on others that have. He didn't make a mistake........he made a bad shot, then followed it up with a concious decision to do the wrong thing........knowing he shouldn't do it. |
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atlasman get a life, and get over it. He knows he made a mistake and i am sure he learned from it,You keep ragging him for no apparant reason. Yea the first time you did it was alright he did need a little ragging, but you do it OVER AND OVER AND OVER, just makes you look like a idiot, which i am sure you are. I am also sure you have never made a mistake in your life, YEAH RIGHT. You are the guy that makes the same mistakes but just doesn't own up to them. You act like you are GOD or something. I really hope you get booted off of this site because you deserve it[:'(]. You are a COMPLETE JERK.
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ORIGINAL: The Mind atlasman I thought hunters were suppose to have each others back ? Is what cmscat50 did illegal ? I'll defend his right to hunt till the day I die............doesn't mean I have to treat him like a baby and pretend he did a good thing. |
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Oh yea and cmscat50, dont listen to atlasman. You made a mistake and yea he did point it out, but did so way to much. I am very sure that you learned from this mistake, and now when the next buck comes wondering your way you are going to stick it to him. WHen you do i want to see some pictures. Good luck whit the rest of you season. Oh yea and by the way everyone that bowhunts will make a bad shot.
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Atlasman, I did not consiously go after the deer knowing it was wrong. I saw him walk well out of sight about 150 yards away and when I saw how much blood there was I thought he was dead on his feet for sure. That's why we tracked him.
Would I do it again...HECK NO. Did I learn a lesson?? Absolutely. I will never track another questionable hit again for at least several hours. |
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ORIGINAL: deer-hunter18 atlasman get a life, and get over it. He knows he made a mistake and i am sure he learned from it,You keep ragging him for no apparant reason. Yea the first time you did it was alright he did need a little ragging, but you do it OVER AND OVER AND OVER, just makes you look like a idiot, which i am sure you are. I am also sure you have never made a mistake in your life, YEAH RIGHT. You are the guy that makes the same mistakes but just doesn't own up to them. You act like you are GOD or something. I really hope you get booted off of this site because you deserve it[:'(]. You are a COMPLETE JERK. I said my peace in the beggining and the rest was in response to others replies to me..........I also have said nothing since Justin asked me to lay off. Your post reads like a young kid wrote it so I guess pointing out that your name calling and hopes for people to get kicked off the board are more then a little hypocritical is probably a lost cause. |
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WE ALL NEED TO RELAX, TAKE A BREATH AND REMEBER WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE. EVERYONE COME TO MI I AM BUYING THE BEER!!! LET US STOP THE NAME CALLING, WE ARE NOT IN SECOND GRADE PEOPLE. PLEASE SOMEONE STOP THIS THREAD.
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ORIGINAL: cmscat50 Atlasman, I did not consiously go after the deer knowing it was wrong. Would I do it again...HECK NO. Did I learn a lesson?? Absolutely. I will never track another questionable hit again for at least several hours. |
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yep i agree this thread needs to be locked.
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It's pretty sad to see so many people resort to cursing and name calling because someone actually pointed out the truth.
There sure are a lot of delicate flowers on this board. |
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ORIGINAL: deer-hunter18 yep i agree this thread needs to be locked. |
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I'll defend his right to hunt till the day I die............doesn't mean I have to treat him like a baby and pretend he did a good thing. Or is that you don't like talking about issues like this on an internet forum ? Maybe you think this somehow makes hunters look bad ? Makes you look bad ? Thats a valid concern, but let me explain something to you. This guy took a bad shot, made a bad hit and lost a nice buck. Tens of thousands of bowhunters and gun hunters will do the very same in the next few weeks. If you are going to try and patrol message boards, and bash people who make less than perfect shots, miss, wound etc etc then you truely need to examine yourself on a deeper level. Hunting involves killing things, and when you're talking bowhunting, the element that the bowhunter will miss or wound will never go away. You cannot eliminate that, you can only strive to not have it happen. If you don't shoot, you will never kill anything. What is a marginal shot to you might be a makable shot for me. You have to assume people take shots they think they can make and they are responsible only to themselves for those shots. Retrospect is for talking about those shots, be them bad or good and hopefully learning from them. What you are doing is neither pro-active nor constructive. In a sick way, I hope you go out on your next hunt, take a shot and wound and lose your animal. Why ? Perespective. You'll know then what this guy feels right now. |
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ORIGINAL: The Mind I'll defend his right to hunt till the day I die............doesn't mean I have to treat him like a baby and pretend he did a good thing. Or is that you don't like talking about issues like this on an internet forum ? Maybe you think this somehow makes hunters look bad ? Makes you look bad ? Thats a valid concern, but let me explain something to you. This guy took a bad shot, made a bad hit and lost a nice buck. Tens of thousands of bowhunters and gun hunters will do the very same in the next few weeks. If you are going to try and patrol message boards, and bash people who make less than perfect shots, miss, wound etc etc then you truely need to examine yourself on a deeper level. Hunting involves killing things, and when you're talking bowhunting, the element that the bowhunter will miss or wound will never go away. You cannot eliminate that, you can only strive to not have it happen. If you don't shoot, you will never kill anything. What is a marginal shot to you might be a makable shot for me. You have to assume people take shots they think they can make and they are responsible only to themselves for those shots. Retrospect is for talking about those shots, be them bad or good and hopefully learning from them. What you are doing is neither pro-active nor constructive. In a sick way, I hope you go out on your next hunt, take a shot and wound and lose your animal. Why ? Perespective. You'll know then what this guy feels right now. If you think that the problem lies with the shot then you obviously haven't read the thread and need to do so before forming your opinion. |
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ORIGINAL: The Mind In a sick way, I hope you go out on your next hunt, take a shot and wound and lose your animal. Some real class acts are popping up in this thread. |
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Some of you guys that are always starting trouble and or only post when you have something negative to say really need to grow up and get a life. No need calling names because you know who you are. I am locking this thread.......
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