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So today, i set up the double bull matrix, and took this kid out bowhunting. I had him all set up and he was shooting great all the way out to 20 yards. Well all he wanted was to get a doe so i said fine i no where to put you. So we put the blind up and climbed in. I had the video camera and we were videoing a doe coming in really close that he was going to shoot. Then he says "hey there a deer right next to the blind" so i slowly look over with the camera and there was a nive little 7 pointer standing there at 3 yes thats 3 yards. I told him to let the buck get out to 10 yards and then he could shoot. So the buck starts to walk out and got to about 6 yards and i told him to draw his bow, so he did and he shot. He must have just been toooo excited and jerk a little bit. Well we replayed the shot about 50 times on the camera, and he hit perfectly up and down it was about center right even with the middle of the shoulder blade, but he hit in front of the shoulder, like almost in the neck area. So after 3 hours of sitting there debating what to do we went out to find the arrow, and we found it. He got about 5 inches of penetration, and we had a great blood trail. I was thinking yep we got this one. But no. We trailed good blood for about 300 yards and no sign of him. We went back to my house and he went home i am going back out to look for him in the morning because he has school. Any info on this kind of shot would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Deer-hunter18

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May of hit an artery i have no idea.

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Well that is what i was hoping. Something fatal at least, this kid is just miserable. He is 14 and doesnt know what to think.

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How did the blood trail look? Was there plenty of blood? Was it a steady flow or only in spots? How far did you track the deer?

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Blood looked great plenty of blood steady flow, but it was really dark red.

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Gee ,Hope you can find it.I think it was a killing shot ,

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I also forgot to mention that at the end of the blood trail there was a big puddle of blood about a foot circle of dark red blood, and then 20 more feet there was no blood at all. If i remember right isn't Dark red blood like a muscle shot.

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Thanks Cardeer, he is really bummed about the whole thing. But all i could tell him is that this stuff happens, and i will spend all day tomarrow looking for the deer.

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Ok here is a picture of where he hit it. THe hit is in red. Dont make fun of my drawing either:D

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Please anyone i just need a little input here.

Thanks again,
Deer-hunter18

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from your drawing that appears to be a bottle nosed deer


hope you find it

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Just go to the last place you found blood,and make small circles.
I'm shure you know that though.
A buck will almost alwaysrun to his bedding area or to water.
After 300 yards he won't have too much farther to run before expiring.
From your pic,the shot looks to have hit (entrance)on the right side of the neck??
If so ,the main artery is located there(that's why the blood was dark)
blood going to the heart is darker(lack of oxygen) so if it was a steady trail
then he won't be too far.
so try looking for sign( running tracks,blood,pushed down grass,broken twigs,ect...)in small circles extending outward from the last place you seen blood,try useing toilet paper to mark limbs above the blood trail,this will help you see the patternin the direction of travel.last ,but not least
even get on your knees to look.

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Predator is right, that deer is dead, you just have to make small circles from the last spot, the only way that deer lived is if it was just a heavy bleeder, and if the kid didn't hit an artery, make small circles, and if you can get three or four buddies to help you, make sure the kid knows he didn't do anything that none of us have ever done before, just take the trail slow, tell him we're all pulling for him!

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:D:D:Dfunny

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I'm pullin' for him... I shot a doe last year, found blood about 70 yds from where I shot, tracked for EVER, never found her, but she made it across the big ditch, so she still had plenty of energy, we think she was dead, but we lost the blood trail and after 2 days of searching we chalked it up to "that sucks"...

I shot one tonight, hubby was in his stand, texted me on my phone and told me not to follow because the deer needed to go lay down, so I went back to the truck, passed a deer on the way through, I walked the bean field so I didn't disturb it if it laid down somewhere, but the deer I passed was through thick brush and all I could see was it's head, may have been my deer, but I have no idea. He is out tracking right now and if I know him, he'll stay out until 2am if he hasn't found it yet... then he will call in sick to work tomorrow to track some more... wishin' the kid luck, I know how the "uncertainty" feeling is... [:-]

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YEA I THINK ITS A KILLING SHOT TOO, IT MUST BE THERE SOMEPLACE.

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Alright guys, i kind of figured the buck was dead to. I will be heading out in the morning to find his deer for him. I HOPE. His face was hilarious, he looked at me and said oh my god i got him, with eyes the size of baseballs. LOL

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I have been looking since about 6 am and it is now 1 pm and i cant find the deer. I have looked everywhere. Only thought is them maybe he ran into the standing corn. I dont know, he has me stumped. I mean i have look for about 1 hour last night and then 7 hours today, what do i do? keep looking or just focus on getting the kid back out and bowhunting, he told me this morning that he doesn't know if he is ever going again.

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Look in the standing corn if he's nowhere else. If not...and you can't find him...well, it happens. It sucks that it's his first deer, try to encourage him and help him stay positive. I did not find the first deer I ever shot with my bow. A doe, paunch shot, trailed blood for about 5 hundred yards ended up at a river, too wide to cross...that was about 8 yrs ago. It happens to the best of them.[&o]

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Yup, I lost my first doe too... it happens, let him read the boards, he will see he's not the only one. Definitely check the corn, that's where I'd go if i were a deer...

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From that picture I'd say he shot a sheep.[8D][8D]

Aside from that, it's hard to say. There's a lot you can hit that'll produce a lot of blood as long as it keeps moving. If it stops it has time to clot up and may not start again. They also tend to run out of blood with these periferal shots just before they drop for good. I would go to the last spot and do a grid search for about 75 yards if you can't find any more blood. Without more info as to angle and all that it's hard to say. Muscles can bleed like crazy for a while, so can noses, broken jaws etc.

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Another option if you dont find him, get one yourself and then tell the boy you found his. Lose the tape though, he might want to see it again and be able to tell it wasn't his. I did this for my son's second deer. He had to go back to school and I found his two days later slightly chewed up by the coyotes. Same day I spotted a deer of comparable size and dropped it. Dressed it and took it home to the boy. Boy was he happy.

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No NO NO NO NO.... have we resorted to just plain telling lies to make people feel good. NOTHING works better than the truth. You screw up.... you should know about it and feel it.

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As long as the weather is around 50's or cooler,
the deer should last 48 hours as long as theres not alot of predators.
Like Davidmil said do a grid search,like I said before MOST
bucks will go for water (creeks,ponds)or beading area's(heavy cover)
tell us where the last place you seen blood was,and what type of terrain
is surounding that area.Standing corn is a heavy cover area and it's fairly simple to find a wounded dear there.Blood will be(from where the shot was placed)around waist high.look for broken stalks as he will by that time be disoriented.;)
If not don't lie to the fella,just make him practice a little more.That close to the sweet spot for your first buck ,is too good of a shot to give up !
Everone get's buck fever when they see a good one(and to him that WAS a good one!)like someone else said let him read these posts of this thread and he'll see that it's happen to alot of people.
I lost a good 8 point once,he ran into such heavy cover I couldn't find him!
I found him about 3 weeks later when a buck I shot ran to the same area
and I found the one I shot 3 weeks earlier,while looking for the one i shot.
unfortunatly ,all that was left was skeletal,so I kept the horns.:(

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Did we find this ONE???????

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anything new happening

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Nope sorry i thought i replied before. Guess not, i actually saw this deer the other night. He was walking just fine and seemed to have nothing wrong with him.

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LOT OF BIG ARTERYS AROUND THE UPPER FRONT SHOLDER AND BASE OF THE NECK ... I WOULD SAY YOU HAVE A PRETTY GOOD CHANCE OF RECOVERING HIM IF THERE IS A GOOD BLOOD TRAIL ..

GOOD LUCK
DD

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I thought the same thing DD but i saw the buck a cuple of nights agoand he was walking around perfectly fine. Hopefully he isn't bleeding internaly and die. But after 24 hours you would think that he would be hurten real bad and he was walking around just fine.

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IF you seen him walking around and stuff... Thats good

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Dang!
Well ,once I skinned a deer that had a broken broad head lodged in the
rear hip,and when I got that one you would have never even thought anything was wrong with it bywatching the way it walked.[>:]

Maybe it rolled in some mud and packed the wound,my dad told me of one he
watched my cousin arrow,it pulled the arrow out with it's mouth and ran to a pond(40 yards or so)and rolled in the mud to pack the wound hole an ran off.
they never found that deer because they seen it a week later doing just fine!!

Get the kid out to get another one!!
This time tell the kid to take a deep breath and let it out before letting the arrow fly! Works for me!!;)