RE: A new mechanical king? Rocket Nail Driver results
 

Bob, the drum has been shot more than once, but I strive to make every shot enter in a new place. This drum is about to be retired to trash buring detail, but I assure you the nail driver hit fresh still on both sides. Rangeball, based on what I saw from my testing I would have to say that this head would preform well out of a bow going way down on the KE scale. I believe 45 ft/lbs would not be out of the question. I may have to get some replacement blades and get my wifes bow out and see how it does witht he naildriver. Capstone Your statement is basicly correct. I have tested 2, 3, and 4 blade heads. Their are other factors to consider though. The total length of the blades, the tip style, and how long, and or large the ferule is. All of these come into play. For example Muzzy 3 blade heads out penetrate their 4 blade heads, but the three blade heads have a 1 3/16" cutting diameter vs the 1 1/8" of the larger 4 blades. The 4 blade 100 grn penetrates about the same as the 100 grn 3 blade, but the 4 blade only has a 1" cut, but more overall blade surface. cut on contact heads dont' do any better as far as penetration goes in hard materials. They do however penetrate hide quicker. It really gets comlicated going over all the factors. That's the main reason I developed the scoring system, and standerized the tests as best I can. It's not perfect, but it is a good way to compar heads. The nail driver penetrates so well becuase it has a short ferule, only 2 blades, a large tip that also cuts and busts up hard material, and it has a modest cutting diameter. The steel head (3 blade heads) penetrate almost as well, but they lose every blade in the steel drum test, and sometimes loose on or two blades in the plywood. Click on my profile and follow the links to a website that lists my scoring system as well as some of the heads I have tested. The sight will be udated as time permits.

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RE: A new mechanical king? Rocket Nail Driver results
 

Thanks, 5shot. You have provided a tremendous service to the members of this board with these tests. I would like to say that your tests have saved me a lot of money, but actually I've changed broadheads twice since reading your reports. lol. Anyway, thanks a lot for all your work.

By the way, did you shoot another one through the barrel to see if the results were consistent? (Just curious. I know you may have only had one Nail Driver to test or may have not wanted to use more than one.)

I am trying Muzzy 3-blade 100's this year, because an old injury will not allow me to crank my bow up to the proper poundage required for the KE needed for the mechanicals...so I am curious it the penetration traits will hold up at lower KE.

RE: A new mechanical king? Rocket Nail Driver results
 

Chris, thanks for the input on these heads. I still love my shockwaves but when the nail driver makes a 3 blade head I might give them a try but for now I still love my shockwaves.

Brian

RE: A new mechanical king? Rocket Nail Driver results
 

super mag i think it has been said that the 3 blade version is the steel head.

thanks for the info 5 SHOT

RE: A new mechanical king? Rocket Nail Driver results
 

jimmya, look again. To me it sounds like it performs much better.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>This is one of those “surprise” heads. I really thought it was a two blade Steelhead, nothing more or less. I fully expected it to perform the same as well. I was wrong. Yes the heads do look alike, and operate in the same way. The blades also appear to be the same, but I can’t say for sure. The difference is the Nail drivers penetrate better than the Steelheads, and they hold onto there blades in every test material! <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

Well it sounds different to me here. Or atleast the way the blades are held in place. But thanks anyway.

Brian



Edited by - 445 supermag on 10/02/2002 04:59:09

RE: A new mechanical king? Rocket Nail Driver results
 

vc111, I only had the one head, and one set of blades. I plan on getting some new blades and doing some more testing. The ferule still looks brand new. I am going to see if the steel head blades work on the nail driver and if they do, I wonder if they will hold up. I am not sure the nail driver holds it's blades becuase they are heat treated better or are just stronger, or if the two blade configuration and ferule have something to do with it. I will keep everyone posted though.

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RE: A new mechanical king? Rocket Nail Driver results
 

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>By the way, did you shoot another one through the barrel to see if the results were consistent? (Just curious. I know you may have only had one Nail Driver to test or may have not wanted to use more than one.) <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

5shot,

I would send you another but I need to at least save a few heads for this season...:)

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RE: A new mechanical king? Rocket Nail Driver results
 

5shot,

I should have worded my question a little better, what I was getting at was the same as vc1111. That is, if you shot more than one naildriver through the steel drum, but you already answered that. Not that I don't trust your test, but I wondered if it could have been a fluke. I'd have to admit that this must be one hell of a head, based on your current results.

Also, I know that you don't advocate using mechanicals on anything larger than whitetails, but what is your opinion now?

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Rangeball,

Quick question: I've never heard your statement floated before that the nock on mechanicals was that the openings they produced would seal up... Why? What would make a wound produced by a mechanical more apt to &quot;seal up,&quot; as you put it? Once the head has passed through the object, it's through -- period. The object doesnt' know if it was a mechanical or a fixed after the fact.

In fact, due to the wider cutting diameters most mechs offer, I've usually seen the opposite -- that they open up devasting holes! My experience would certainly bear that out as well; any well-placed shot has produced extremely quick kills, and the blood trails have looked as if they were poured out of a five-gallon bucket!

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Please re-read my post. I said FIXED two blade heads, not mechanicals. Be that as it may, a slit is a slit. I'm not clear on what kind of hole the nail driver will leave.

5 shot, any concern of this with the nail driver?

RE: A new mechanical king? Rocket Nail Driver results
 

Rangeball, I'm not trying to start with you or anything, but, I never saw any broadhead blade leave a hole. I know that there is a broadhead out there, I'm not sure what they are called, that actually has a blade that is circular. A friend of mine has some, but they don't penetrate well. Those are the only type that I can think of that will actually leave a hole in the animal.