Buscuits and Fletchings???????
 

New to bow hunting this will be my first year (come on Oct. 1st). Everyone says to the Newbie get the whisker buscuit. I did and I like it but it is eating the fletchings on my ICS 400's. Is this normal? Is this a reason to go by a biztenburg fletching jig? What are your thoughts, coments or experiences with the buscuit and fletching wear?

Thanks,

Kent

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I was frustrated too until I went to shooting Blazer vanes... Blazers and the biscuit are a great combo!!!

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I switched to the buscuit two years ago, and never had the fletchings tare or anything, and I shoot ALOT, probly 200 to 300 arrows a day, With the same four arrows, and never had a tare,(used up a buscuit or two) is it happing to all your arrows or just a few? it could be a bad glue job if it's just a couple arrows, but if it's doing it to all of them it could be the buscuit,, Do you think maybe your bow is out of tune? Not sure if that would do it though,, I know there are Buscuits for Carbon Arrows and one for aluminum arrows, Do you have the right one?

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If your WB is beating up your vanes it is not set up properly and the arrows are not flying through the rest correctly. You are probably hitting the outer ring on your way through.........an easy way to tell this is by looking at the outer disc and you will see some streaks where the vanes are hitting.

A WB is no different then any other rest..........if it is tuned properly you will have no problems........if it is not then you will have issues.

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I just got away from the biscuit but yes it is a good rest and probably a good one for to start with. It did tear my fletchings pretty good after multiple shots. I switched to the blazers as well and had no problem. I switched to a drop away to eliminate all clearance problems. Best advice is to shoot what you like and stick with it. Good luck.

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I was having fletchings get beat up froma whisker biscuit, but then I noticed that streaks from the fletchings were rubbing off onto the bottom bracket that holds the round biscuit. My arrows were flying out too low. A lot like what atlasman was saying.

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I have a friend who shoots a whisker biscuit and he had same problem. I heard you should shoot with the cock vane up, have you tried that? Just a suggestion.

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I did check the buscuit last night and it appears that the fletchings are hitting the bottom bracket. I guess this means my arrows are coming out too low? How do I fix it? I am a newbie and appreciate all the responses so far.

Kent

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I would agree with the others. Use shorter or stiffer vanes with less helical in the fletch (if you use helical). That should dramatically reduce wear on your vanes. I have also seen it suggested that you add a bit of armor all to your vanes to decrease friction.

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Is this an adjustment I need to do to my bow (Mathews LX) or change my vanes? I really dont know anything about the fletchings, they are on Beman ICS 400's. I dont really look at them when I load them, should I? It is frustrating as they cost alot of money and 3 of the 4 I have been shooting have the fletchings coming off and the 4th is starting to.

KB

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If the arrows are hitting the bottom of the rest the bow is out of tune or you are shooting the incorrect spine arrows .

I have had consistently good results setting the bow at an even tiller and nocking the arrow at 90degrees to the bowstring.

Allways shoot the correct spine arrow for the bow. While it is possible to get an incorrect spine arrow to shoot straight at a single distance, the correct spine arrow will group tuneat all distances.

Too light of a spine arrow will slap aroup inside of the biscuit as it leaves the bow, and will be dificult to tune.

The windage for the whisker biscuit should be determined by grouptuning for the narrowest group at all distances while shooting the correct spine arrows. Its often about 1/8" to the outside of the centerline of the bow.

Good luck tuning!

Good luck hunting! >>>------------>

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One of the most important points of tuning your setup is interference with fletching and the rest. The biscuit interferes with fletching on all sides. How can you tune a bow when you have interference and the additional drag and expect consistent shots time after time?

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I have no idea how to tune my bow. I am new to this, just got the bow in July and am bowhunting for the first time. Took it to the bow-shop and had the buscuit installed. I am shooting pretty good groups, havent missed the target yet (knock on wood). I am shooting about 3 inches to the left (consistently) and I believed that this is a sight adjustment issue (anyone have advice on adjusting Trophy Ridge that is 3 inches right? I dont want to overadjust and miss the target). I am shooting from 20 -30 yards in my backyard. I did see fletching marks on the buscuit base. I am really confused now as I have had many different responses. Should I just take it back to the shop and have it checked out? I have also used my Muzzy practive broadhead and it is hitting the same as my fieldpoints.

KB

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Where/How do I get these blazers you speak of? I too have a WB, and my vanes are "wavy" (for lack of a better word), but they seem to shoot alright.

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It doesn't interfere.........the bristles do not effect the arrow flight and I have seen slow motion photos of the vanes already coming out the front side of the WB and the arrow hasn't left the string yet. The only interference you will see from a WB is if your vanes are striking the outer support ring due to improper setup............just like any other rest. If a drop away or prong rest is not setup properly you will still get contact and less then optimal accuracy.


You are giving those bristles WAY too much credit...........they aren't made out of steel man ;)

I get consistent shots out to 40 yards and perfect arrow flight..........with field tips and 4 blade fixed heads hitting the same.

It really is a simple and just plain great rest.........I really can't imagine why anyone would not use it for hunting. I set my bow on my stands front rail with an arrow nocked and ready to shoot.........when the time comes all you have to do is grab your bow and make the shot.........no worries of the arrow falling off the rest, no worries about having to hold your bow a certain way, no worries about noise when you draw or shoot, and definately no worries about accuracy...........and if you like to stalk then it is even better.

The only way my WB damages vanes is if I do something dumb like shoot at the same spot with 2 arrows ;)

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Any shop with archery supplies should have Blazer vanes. Check your bigger sporting goods stores too.

If not.......there is always Cabela's ;)

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...amp;id=0032996

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my wb eats the fletching off my arrows but i just get them all refletched when the season is over...it's worth it to me.

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Kentster911 I am pretty new to bow hunting as well. If I were you I would take your bow back to the bow shop and ask them for thier advice. I know when I had mine setup by my local pro he was more than willing to show me all he could to help me out for future situations. Try talking with them they are usally pretty good about helping bow hunters out.

William

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Tuning is not all that hard to understand.

If the bow is set at an even tiller that means that both limbs bend the same and that both limbs will exert the same amount of energy on the bowstring.

If one limb is bent more than the other it will have more power and the bowstring will be moving faster in that direction and it will pull the nock of the arrow in the same direction of the limb with the added tiller.

When the bows limbs are balanced evenly (set at an even tiller) the bowstring is generally just moving forward and the arrow can be nocked at 90degrees to the bowstring and leave the bow in a level fashion.

The correct windage setting for the rest should be determined by shooting at a vetical line at 10-20-30-40yards. If the arrows are correctly spined for the bow they will hit the same vertical line at all distances.

Incorrect spine arrows may still be consistent at 15-20yards but because they shoot so far to the left for a right-handed shooter the front sight on a mismatched setup is usually way off to the left as well.

Well Kenster911 I gave you a few concepts to work with. I hope you can put them to good use.

Good luck tuning!

Good luck hunting! >>>------------>

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atlasman, so you're saying that if you have plastic vanes that, over a period of time have got the wavy, your rest will direct the arrow perfectly? I don't think so. The longer the fletching the more interference to the arrow in flight. On a tuned setup, the only time the arrow comes in contact with the rest is when you draw. Upon release the arrow will clear the rest completely. Now you have bristles around the complete circumference the shaft and it won't affect arrow flight or trajectory? Right.

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Where did I say that? If your vanes are wavy then your WB is not tuned correctly and you need to fix that first. I also would not shoot wavy vanes out of any rest.........maybe just messing around in the yard but definately not for hunting.


Right........If you don't believe it then I suggest you shoot a tunedWB and see for yourself. I have no vane wear, no flight issues and my setup is accurate out to 40 yards with fieldtips and fixed blades hitting the same. What else is there??........add to that the bonus of not worrying about the arrow falling off ever and it is an ideal hunting rest.

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Kentster, best bet is to take it back to the shop you bought it from, if you are hitting bottom of rest, he will have to put a bow square on it, to see if the nock is in the right place, or see if he has put the biscuit in the right place. When you are checking your tiller, you have to measure your string at a 90 deg. angle to your bow, make sure you do this at the same spot at each end. I check this where the limb first hits the riser. On the bottom part where you would add a turn to your bow, when you would add more pounds to it.

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Sniper are you saying that if you'r using a bisquit your bow can't be in tune? Myvanes do get a bit wavey but my arrows still fly true! I do shoot with the cock vane up.

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Mathews bows can be set at an even tiller by simply backing both limb bolts out the same number of turns each.

So can other bows.

Good luck hunting! >>>------------>