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I won a dozen Beman ICS Hunter 400's last winter. I shot them this summer. What a pile of crap!!![:'(]I've had Beman's before and was happy with them until now. I broke two of them in half trying to get them out of a McKenzie 3D target by twisting them to breakthem loose. Well I broke them loose all right. RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SHAFT!.
I thought I forgotten how to shoot or tune a bow while shooting these things. I couldn't get them to group to save my life. After the last 3D of the year I finally decided to junk these things so I pulledout the ACC 360's. Well needless to say I'm shooting tighter groups at 50 yards with my ACC's than I could at 30 with those ICS Hunters. Maybe I got a bad batch!!

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I had bought 1 doz. of Beman ICS (I'm 90% sure they were ICS), as soon as the wrapped carbon arrowsfirst came out - several years ago. They were garbage. I attributed it to the learning curve associated with perfecting the "wrapped carbon" technology.

Anyway, I broke 2 shooting target, 2 hunting and one snapped when I fired the bow - a narrow escape on an ugly injury. That was it. Back to Aluminum for a few years.

Three seasons ago, I went back to Carbon - GoldTip XT's, and have had no problems.

I will never buy or use another Beman product. Their customer service, however, is great - they tried to send me a brand new dozen of arrows - Thanks, but no thanks.

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I can't complain about my Bemans. The ICS Hunters shoot really well out of my setup. This will be my 3rd season using them and I have no reason to change. I don't notice any difference in performance over the Gold Tips and Carbon Express arrows that I also have. They seem pretty durable to me. I have2 of them that passed through my old target and hit into a concrete wall with no noticable damage (except to the wall ;))or loss of performance. Been thinking about giving the new Max4 shafts a try.

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I too shoot Gold Tip arrows and wont shoot anything else.

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i love my beeman ics 400's. never let me down in the crunch time and always shoot great. although they quite making them i might change to radial weave. i've shot a few of them and they work just as well as beeman ics 400. you might of got a bad batch or may not of. all i know is those makenzies are sometimes hard to pull arrows out of. them and rinehart. how old is your target?

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Our McKenzie's are pretty old. Were slowly replacing them with Rinehart targets. Our Rinehart's work awesome!!! I've shot allot of different Carbon arrows and have never twisted one in half! Maybe I'm just that tough;)

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I have shot Beman ICS 400's for the past 3 years without a problem. I am surprised that yours broke because I have pulled mine out of all kinds of targets and backstops on target passthroughs.

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I went from Carbon Express to Beman ICS 400's last year,and that was a terrible mistake.They were slow,and didn't pattern good at all(fliers).I couldn't ever get the inserts to stick,and when I shot they made a terrible vibrating noise.I cleaned the shaftswith a .22 brass cleaning tip,and used Bohning Fletchtite platinum,and fast set gel.Neither would bond the inserts to the shaft worth a toot.And those are real popular glues.Needless to say I'm back with Carbon Express Maxima's,and love them.Oh yeah,and I shot an armadillo with one of the left overs the other day,and he broke it.

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BirdDog... I saw in another thread that you shoot 65-70 pounds???? Well, I don't care what the charts say, but if you havethe wrongdraw length and head combination it could throw you all to heck. I had to go to 340s to shoot in that poundage with a 28(minus) inch draw and 125 heads. The 400s with broadheads just went to crap. With field points they were OK but when I went to the fixed blades with that little bit of extra length the arrows just wouldn't work. Bought some 340s and it's been all well for the past 4 or 5 years.

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So why do they break so easy? I've never twisted a carbon arrow in half before this!

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I shoot the ICS 400s and have no problems. I have been shooting them for 3 years now. Mine fly great w/ field tips & broadheads.
I have shot the gold tips, easton axis, & ACCs, and really have not seen any significant differance.

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ICSH are generally very tough arrows. I've broke very few of them.

Generally you shouldn't be twisting carbons anyways to get 'em out of a target, but I suspect you got a batch with poor resin. Have you been leaving them out during the summer? in the hot sun or similar?

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No!

I'm going to be using my ACC's for hunting now so I guess it really doesn't matter. But unless you have 3 guys. One holding the target & two pulling on the arrow. It's almost impossible to get some carbons out without twisting them to break them loose after their burned in to a target! I've shot allot of different arrows and have never had this problem before. It also seems that the Beman arrows burn in a little more that other carbon arrows.

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Arrow lube. Thats why they invented it :)

Carbon gets mighty hot hitting the target at those speeds.

But A/C/Cs area muchbetter choice, don't blame ya for stayin with them.

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Isn't that the truth[&:]To bad I lost my handy little dispenser tube

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I have never liked beman carbons from when I bought my first set in 1991-92. CRAP CRAP CRAP!!!!!!!!!!

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I have started to use the radial weave arrows by PSE and they are very durable and fly straght.

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I have also started to notice that the quality of the Bemans is starting to get iffy. Durability really seems to be a problem right now.

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never had one break on me while pulling them out of anything. trees, wood, just about anything. not sure why yours broke right there in the middle. i'd say give them another try and see what you think.