What's more Accurate?
 

Right now i am shooting Easton A/C/C arrows but was thinking about going back to aluminum and was wondering which is more accurate, carbon or aluminum?

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I don't think material really makes any difference at all as far as accuracy is concerned. In fact, depending on how good the archer is that is shooting them, I am not so sure there is a notable difference with the straightness factor either, although I am sure some people are good enough.
The accuracy comes from the guy touching off the release. ;)

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Aluminum is straighter

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I agree. It's all about the shooter!

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Wrong again. Acc's are at the very top for strightness. If you have shot them you should know the difference. If strightness don't matter put a broadhead on a banana.

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I'm not familiar with ACC's but I thought they had an aluminum core or something. I have been shooting xx78 super slams and just bought some ICS hunter elites. I was fairly impressed with the carbons until I shot the alums with them. Its just me but I still like the alums and for me they seem to fly faster, straighter. One thing, I'm using a WB deluxe QS model for large alums. It gives me clearance on the alums and plenty on the carbons. I can't see why it would slow the carbons down but it sure seems like something is. I'm still trying them out though so it may change.

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Motownmonkey,

WRONG........try again

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The XX78 is straighter than any ACC and the X7's are even straighter

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ACC's are the best of both worlds having an aluminum core inside a carbon shaft. They are one of the best arrows you can buy as far as consistancy goes in straightness, weight and spine. They are hand picked and culled by lots. They are also rather expensive.

There are many good carbons, but they are not cheap either.

For the money an easton aluminum arrow offers the best tolarances out of the box. I would not say they are the best arrow, really depends on what you get, but if your on a budget you can get really good arrows for a fair price. There are aluminums that are pretty expensive as well. Probably as much or more than ACC's

I would also agree most archers don't shoot well enough to tell the difference, however to say it is more the archer than the arrow is not totally accurate. The key to accuracy is consistancy. That means having all your arrows exactly the same. Next to proper form that is the number one thing most target archers look for I would guess. Well matched arrows. Being the best archer in the world will not help much if your arrows are junk.

Paul

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After numerous shots aluminum will lose straightness, carbon won't. I'd stay with what you're shooting.

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DoubleCreek

Wrong again. Know your information before you spout off. " Motownmonkey" Good one man are you 12.

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Welcome to the forum!! But........what??? ACC= Aluminum Carbon Composite. Where does the straightness go?If aluminum loses straightness...which, I question.....why stay with ACC's? Forgive me, but that entire post is contradicting. Does the carbon wrapped around the aluminum force the aluminum to stay straight? Or, if the aluminum bends, will the carbon stay molded to it, no matter what it's shape?

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That's right. Try um you will see.

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Sorry about the name, I read it wrong.... But you are wrong about ACC's

Here ya go

ACC
[ul][*]High-strength carbon fiber bonded to a precision 7075 aluminum core tube[*]Weight tolerance: ± 0.5 grains[*]Straightness: ± .003" (.006" T.I.R.)[*]Low-gloss black carbon finish[*]Sizes: 2-00, 3L-00, 3-00, 2L-04, 2-04, 3X-04, 3L-04, 3-04, 3L-18, 3-18, 3-28, 3-39, 3-49, 3-60, 3-71[*]UNI Bushing - Installed[*]"G" NOck - Sold separately[*]Inserts and Points - Sold separately [/ul]
XX78
[ul][*]7178-T9 aluminum alloy[*]Strength (psi): 100,000[*]Weight tolerance: ± 1%[*]Straightness: ± .0015" (.003" T.I.R.)[*]Hard-anodized, forest-enhanced Super Slam
PermaGraphic camo[*]Sizes: 2114, 2117, 2212, 2213, 2216, 2312, 2314, 2315, 2413, 2512[*]Internal-fit Super Nock - Installed[*]8-32 Insert - Included[*]Points - Sold separately [/ul]

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Don't get me wrong, ACC's are my carbon of choice. But they ARE NOT straighter than Alluminum..... I thought everyone knew that.....

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Aluminum is straighter out of the box but spine is what is the most important factor and ACC's will have a more consistant spine a couple hundred shots from now over the aluminum.



ACC's are the best all around arrow on the planet right now,besides,ACC's straightness is .003 and will stay there practically forever.I will bet noone can tell if the arrow has a .001 or .003 straightnes when shooting it but I will bet most can tell if the spine isn't consistant.(most may not know why the arrows will not group but they will see that they are not grouping due to the spine.)Aluminum has great spine consistancy along with straightness but ACC's gives you as good or better penetration at a lighter weight and therefore you will have better speed and the ACC's will not bend as easily as the aluminum.

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That weight difference is enough for me to keep the Acc's. Based on your evidence I have to conceed on the straightness issue. Look's like both arrow's are extremely straight. How about penetration? Want to go there?

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Carbon breaks down over time as well. As a matter of fact from the tests I have seen done here it breaks down faster, if it isn't bad to begin with. It all depends on the aluminum arrows you get really. Some are pretty darn tough if you treat them right.

That whole line about it's either straight or broken is a big myth.

Paul

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No arguments from me.... Like I said, ACC's are the toughest SOB's on the market and I wouldn't even consider shooting another carbon..... And like Paul said, you can't even tell the difference in those type of straightness tolerances and the durability isn't even in the same universe. One ACC will outlast a dozen Aluminums IMO.

I was simply telling Marine Stud which arrow was the straightest.

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Re-itterating Double Creeks comments about durability, carbons will far outlast aluminum if shot the same amount. I purchased 1dz. XX75's back in '96 whaen I purchased my last bow. These arrows lasted 2 years or so before the majority of them were bent. I then purchased 1 dz Beman Carbon Hunters in '98 and am still using 8 of themtoday.This is the main reason that I will usecarbon and if I could find more of those old bemans I would buy them in a heatbeat. As far as tolerances go you can only get so close to perfect.

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The aluminum core can bend in the acc's. Read that somewhere...[&:]

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That's not exactly true either. Carbons don't bend, but they can, and eventually will, take a set. Spine will also degrade in carbon shafts, and that's even worse than losing straightness. Anyone that's noticed their group sizes and accuracy getting worse over time with their carbon arrows would be amazed at how much better new arrows will shoot.

Of course, guys who only take a handful of shots a couple of weeks before bow season will never wear out a carbon arrow. Guys who take thousands of shots a year know the truth of the matter.

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wesbowhunt, I was just getting ready to ask that. I've have been very pleased with alums. I have gotten pretty consistant flight with them overall. Obviously, they get bent but I expect that to happen. I've seen plenty of carbons shatter. The ICS Hunter Elites I bought weren't as expensive as the ACC's but they certainly weren't cheap but they don't seem to be as consistant as the alums. So far I'm thinking they will be great practice arrows.

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In my Opinion
the Acc are straighter but as for accuracy as along as yourarrowsare tuned for your set up you should not notice any difference in accurcy. Youwill notice that your speed will go up and you will get less drift on those windy days at long distances. I still use them for field shoots. But for 3D I shoot Aluminum X7's and for Hunting I shoot ICS Hunters.As long as your arrows are tuned for you you should not notice a diff for Hunting or 3D.