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This SH** just aint right, I read an article in a magazine the other day sports afield i think. there is a guy in texas that is cloning deer. he is taking skin sames from trophy deer that has been killed, doing something to the DNA and surgically implanting it into a doe so she will give birth to a deer. his goal is to have mutiple deer over the 300 score range. he claims they are his deer and that people due this to cattle and horses, so why cant he do it to his deer. i know there is deer farming but i think this is JUST plain WRONG. what makes a trophy deer if every deer you have is a cloned 300 score buck? i can understand the selling of deer sperm to artificially insemenate a deer but NOT cloning. chit like this can ruin it for all hunting and hunters.
hmm, lets make squirrels 30 pounds, rabbits the size of dogs, hogs the size of horses, qual the size of chickens, when and where will it end.
Pandoras box needs to be kept closed.
my .02cents worth on this. what ya all think?

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sorry for posting this here i thought i was in bowhunting and i dont know how to change it maybe a moderator can put it in the bowhunting section.

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I don't care for it either .
If the state he's doing it in considers whitetails to be game animals , and I don't know of any that don't , he might just find himself running afoul of the game laws .

Indiana is going through that right now with killing zoos , the owners say that it's their deer because they own them and they can do what they please , the state says otherwise since they're game animals . Who do you think will win in the long run ? ;) If his state allows farming of whitetails then he's probably right . Personally , I hope it gets outlawed , but with the increasing commercialization of the whitetail I kinda doubt that this will happen .

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yeah i read something about that and i couldn't believe it!!!! then i thought about it for awhile and realized that it was an absolutely great idea!!;)
lol!!! not really!!!

that is the most outragious thing i have ever heard!!! it amazes me that people would do something like that. trophy deer would loose there worth to the hunter if someone down the road killed one exactly like it. [&:]. why would someone even dream of doing something like that... oh that's right the almighty dollar. i swear these days people will do anything for a buck(money not a deer).

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Like Datamax always says............... HORN PORN

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I dont care much for it..

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Hmmm, a 30lb squirrel could change thanksgiving dinner.

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I don't agree with this. The term trophy would become meaningless. They are
supposed to hard to come by, not behind every tree!

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I decide what's a trophy to me.

Let them do what they want. This kind of thing started long ago when people started paying to shoot deer. History repeats itself over and over. Big shots who like to show off because they are extremely insecure started this and many who are just as insecure have brought it to this stage. This guy is a product of the mistakes of those before him.

Insecurity in a sport that should breed the purest individuals, yet even here individuality is frowned and sometimes demonized. There's a story as old as Cain and Able.

I decide what's a trophy to me.

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I think its just palin funny!!!

For one, Just use some intelligence here for a minute...

You can do Dna splicing and clone a animal , or deer in this case, but and there is a BIG BUTT factor here. You can clone all the bucks you want to and never come out with one with the same antlers, yes there is some genetics involved in antler growth but most of the growth is from the animals diet and over all health , every buck will have antlers that look different in some way, all this dork is doing is starting with a good genetic base sequence. Sounds like a waste of time and a very large amount of money to me..

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I agree with nodog. I determine what is a trophy for me . I don't like what that guy is doing but it won't change my definition of a trophy.

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There is a lot more to big horns that just genetics. The deer needs excellent nutrition and lead a stress free life to get them really large. This guy is going to be suprised to find his deer not much bigger than wild deer that live in a good forage area.

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Uhh, so what is the difference here? One is natural sperm and the other is DNA? Personally I don't see a difference. Either get rid of them both or keep them both.

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Dont really care. I just figure any deer taken w/ a bow is a trophy, besides no matter how long you cook 'em you still cant eat the antlers.

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Totally agree!!! I would hate to see it happen!!!

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Why not? With the way that 'trophy management' has been going, this is just another step in that direction. I've been waiting for some of these guys to tranquilize 'their' deer, and then break one of the bucks legs so it will grow a set of non-typical antlers!Opps, I probably put an idea in somebody's mind!With alll the other artificial deer farming practices already in use, what's to stop the 'trophy only' mentality from doing this and other bizarre practices in the name of the bigger the better? I got nothing against those that choose to hunt, actually hunt(in the woods!) for older class, and usually larger bodied and racked bucks for the challenge since these deer are normally a tougher and rare breed, but the way many approach it now, it won't mean much , because it's just a matter of growing your own, and shooting him off a field once he meets your magical width and score.I'll take mine the old fashioned way---in the wild unsolicited and unaided by artificial supplements, etc.

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It's been goin on for years , now their just stepping up the technology. I had the privelege of visiting a deer farm here in Wisconsin a few years back who was making tons of money by selling trophy bucks , and even just the seman , to ranches in Texas who wanted to up the trophy caliber genetics on their ranches.:eek:

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To each their own i guess. I personally think its wrong to pay to shoot a monster buck. Yes i would love to get a monster every year, but to me there is alot more to hunting than simply being able to put a trophy on the wall. Sitting out in the woods, with all the sights and sounds, not knowing what will walk by next if at all,and then the stories that go along with it after the hunt, that is what its all about. This "trophy" mentality i feel is making people lose out on what we are really out there for, enjoying the wilderness and time spent with friends and loved ones.