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PABowhntr 12-08-2003 07:55 PM

Hoyt Vipertec ........ in Review
 
It is that time of the year again folks. Many of the various bow companies have debuted their new lineups for 2004 and there are quite a few new bows to play with at your local archery shop. One of these companies, Hoyt, usually introduces their lineup around the middle of October with bows in the dealers’ hands by the first week of November. This year was no different. Hoyt continues to refine their lineup with a few new bows this year. Continuing in the normal Hoyt tradition these bows features Hoyt’s “TEC” riser and split limb design. One of these new bows is geared towards the bowhunter who prefers a short axle-to-axle length bow and has been dubbed the “Vipertec”. It takes the place of the now defunct Havoctec of previous years both in terms of overall size and specifications. For those of you who are familiar with Hoyt bows or who have read my reviews before feel free to skip some of the component descriptions and move right into the general comments section.



The Riser

Hoyt utilizes their trademark “TEC” (Total Engineering Concept) riser on each of the bows in their 2004 lineup. This riser design is in a bridge support structure type shape. Its goal is to provide a structurally stronger riser while yet being able to reduce mass weight, noise and dissipate vibration. It accomplishes this by channeling some of the vibration away from hand via the support “brace” on the rear of the riser. Hoyt originally started implementing this design back in 1996 with their Alphatec bow. Since then at least one or two bows in their lineup have always featured the TEC riser structure. The only change to the riser design of the Vipertec is that it appears the riser has been lengthened significantly to increase the amount of usable sight window. This has always been a problem with more of the traditional style short axle-to-axle length bows. Hoyt has definitely overcome this issue with the new Vipertec design.

Hoyt also utilizes a dual side plate grip design on all of their bows. The riser itself serves as part of the grip but is insulated with a small rubber pad to keep your hand warmer on cold days. The rubber pad replaces the felt material that was used in previous years. Each of the side plates is constructed of wood and fits comfortably into a precut slot on each side of the grip area. The overall circumference of the grip seems to be of equal size to previous years though the grip angle feels notably more comfortable in my hand.



The Limbs

The Vipertec is equipped with Hoyt’s new XT1000 limbs. The XT1000 limbs are five layer, laminated, carbon/glass limbs. The edges of the limbs are left unpainted as to expose a visual representation of their composition. Though the XT1000 limbs appear to be straight limbs they are actually recurve-(prebent) limbs that straighten when pressure is applied during construction of the bow. This design helps store and release more energy evenly throughout the limb (uniform stress distribution) thus creating faster arrow speeds.



The XT1000 limbs differ from the XT2000 in length only. The XT2000 limbs are approximately 14 inches in length while the XT1000 limbs are slightly shorter at 13 inches. Each XT1000 limb is a full ¾ inches wide. That coupled with a ¾ inch space between limbs results in a full width of 2.25 inches. This provides excellent torsional and lateral stability…. in other words…the limbs greatly resist bending to the left or to the right. This helps to improve accuracy and consistency. The XT1000 limbs are only available on two of Hoyt’s current models the Vipertec and the Xtec. I believe this to be because both the Vipertec and Xtec feature longer risers and in order to keep the axle-to-axle length relatively short a shorter limb mounted at a sharper angle needs to be utilized.

The Limb pockets

Hoyt continues to use the dual locking limb pocket system on most of their high end hunting bows. It features a locking bolt on either side of the riser to insure exceptional fit and consistency. Both of the limb pockets and the bow’s cam system are all covered in a bronze finish, which Hoyt refers to as autumn brown. The limb pockets have only been slightly refined this year in overall size and shape more for aesthetics than any practical purpose that I am aware of.



Cable Guard Rod and Slide

Hoyt is again utilizing a carbon cable guard rod on all of their hunting bows. It appears to me to be extremely short on the Vipertec probably due to the small amount of actual cable slide travel caused by the long riser/short limb design.



The cable slide itself continues to be the upgrade that Hoyt started on all of the 2003 model year bows and is of a Teflon material. Judging from past experience the new design is a significant upgrade from the stock slide that was previously used on their bows. I had personally experienced excessive wear on the cable/string as well as on the cable guard itself in past years.

The Eccentric system

Hoyt totally revamped their choice of eccentric systems last year. In previous years Hoyt offered a good selection of both single and dual cam designs. Now Hoyt only offers three cam systems and only on certain model bows. Hoyt’s Cam and a Half system is of a hybrid design utilizing one main bowstring, a return string and a single cable.



The Cam and a Half system utilizes a rotating draw length adjustment module similar to both the Command Cams Plus and the Versacam of previous years A bow press is not required to adjust the draw length on most bows and each module covers a draw length range of approximately 2.5 inches. Most of the early “dealer package” bows found in pro shops during this time of year cover the 27.5 to 30 inch range, which would represent what a majority of archers utilize.

The Cam and a half system is available in two different percentage of let off choices…..65% and 75%. To obtain the different percentages of let off one must use different draw length adjustment modules. Both modules cover the same draw length range but under different percentages of let off.



Hoyt also uses sealed stainless steel ball bearings in both the top and bottom cams. This is done to provide less friction and requires no additional lubrication. The timing marks on both eccentrics allow the archer to monitor any rotational movement due to string creep. Speaking of strings, Hoyt is continuing to use Brownell’s D75 string material on their bows. The Diamondback braided serving material is also still being used as well.

Odds and Ends

- Hoyt continues to use the Realtree High Definition Hardwoods Green camo pattern.

- The customary Sims Stealth split limbsavers and new Kevlar reinforced Sims String Leeches are also factory installed on the bow prior to shipping.

- The Vipertec is available in peak draw weights that range from 40 to 80 pounds and draw lengths that range from 24 to 30 inches.

General Commentary:

I was at somewhat of a loss this year as to what Hoyt was going to introduce. I felt that they would have a difficult time improving on what I felt was an excellent hunting bow design in the Razortec. I can honestly say that I was truly mistaken. Hoyt took the next logical step forward in beginning to incorporate more of a parallel limb design into some of their 2004 bows. I have found this design from other companies to offer superiority in regard to low levels of recoil and vibration. It generally accomplishes this by releasing excess energy away from the shooters hand and the center of the bow itself. Add this design to the already low-recoil-low vibration design of the TEC riser and you have something truly impressive. This bow exhibits no recoil whatsoever even at a 30-inch draw length with a 74 lb draw weight and with a 430-grain arrow. The bow sits there and absolutely does not move in your hand. This may be one characteristic that the Vipertec has over the Razortec in my opinion. Though the Razortec had low levels of both of these characteristics as well, it does not compare in my opinion to what the Vipertec is capable of. It truly has to be shot to be understood.

Overall specifications of the bow are as follows:
- 32 inch axle to axle length
- 7 1/2 inch brace height
- 3.75 lb mass weight
- 300 fps listed IBO speed

These specifications are very close to the previous year Havoctec design both in terms of physical dimensions and advertised speed rating though I definitely think that the new riser and limb design help to improve the overall balance of the bow considerably. It seems to sit relatively evenly in my hand when at rest with maybe the slightest bit of front-tilt depending in large part on the individual shooter’s choice of grip position.

Upon receiving the bow I inspected it thoroughly. The paint scheme prints very well on the bow though I did notice one or two areas that do not seem to blend well with the overall pattern of the bow. At first I believe them to be areas lacking paint entirely but now believe them to be slight blemishes in the paint scheme itself as I can find no discernible tactile edge to areas.

The paint scheme coupled with the riser/limb design and bronze eccentrics on such a short axle-to-axle length bow definitely make it a head turner. In my opinion it is arguably one of the most physically attractive bows on the market. I could find no “slop” in either the limb pocket area or around either of the eccentrics. The bow appears to be very solid and well designed with a very high attention to detail.

Shooting the bow

I shot the Vipertec bare bow initially with just an arrow rest and the proper string accessories installed. With my particular setup (provided later) the bow had no vibration during the shot and was extremely quiet overall. As mentioned, there was no noticeable recoil to the bow. I found this surprising considering the large amount of energy that my setups typically generate out of any given bow. The noise level was only secondary to recoil in terms of the lack there of. This could arguably be within the top 3 or 4 quietest bows I have ever had the privilege of shooting.

Vibration levels were also low probably the result of the combination of Sims products and the TEC riser design. Individually, both have a significant impact on vibration for any bow but together they work quite well at dissipating it entirely.

Accuracy levels were on par with what I can typically expect to shoot from any of the short bows on the market. I was able to put together some respectably sized groups at the local shop’s 20 yard indoor range though they tended to open up gradually after I approached the 40 yard target distance at the local club. Of course, I did not have a stabilizer installed at the time. The added weight as well as its placement probably would have helped slightly in regard to increasing accuracy levels.

Speed testing results

I finally had the opportunity to shoot the bow through the chronograph on a few occasions with my normal setup. That setup includes a 70 lb draw weight, 30-inch draw length and a 430-grain Beman ICS 340 carbon arrow. Other than the factory-installed string leeches and a simple string loop I had nothing else installed on the bowstring. I proceeded to shoot 4, 3 shot groups through the chronograph in relatively short succession. Averages were then tabulated within those groups and I obtained the following results. The 430-grain Beman shot between 274-275 fps repeatedly. This is my hunting arrow, which generates roughly 72 ft. lbs of KE. This is on par with many of the traditional single cam design bows that I have shot in past years….Hoyt Havoc Versacam, Fred Bear Epic Extreme, Parker Ultralite 31, SD Rhino 31, etc.. The major difference being that the Cam and a Half draw force curve has a smoother overall feel to it in comparison to that of the typical perimeter weighted cam designs.

Nitpicks

My nitpicks with this bow are few. First off would be the overall weight of the bow. Though advertised at 3.75 lbs the bow actually felt much lighter in my hands. Almost on par with that of the Parker Ultralite 31 that I had owned a year or so ago. This made it slightly more difficult for me to maintain the accuracy levels that I have become accustom to over recent months when shooting a slightly longer (1.5 inches) and heavier bow. I believe the longer TEC riser coupled with the shorter, parallel limbs helps somewhat as I think the Havoctec was even less stable in this regard but it is not enough to totally offset the negative aspect of a bow with these diminutive dimensions.

Second, though I mentioned it earlier, the blemish in the paint scheme was also large enough to be noticed relatively easily and therefore deserves to be revisited in this section. Though it does not affect the functionality of the bow I would expect tighter quality control from a company such as Hoyt. It was only evident in one location but that one location was on a very visible part of the riser.

Final Thoughts

I like this little bow. It is ideal for those looking for a short, lightweight package filled with quite a bit of attention to detail in regard to just about every component. Hoyt definitely did not take any shortcuts when designing this little wonder. However, after having it for a little over a month I am left feeling a bit let down. I think the longer riser-more parallel limbs are a step in the right direction. I also think that the relatively smooth draw of the Cam and a Half system is very desirable for bowhunters. But, as much as the next person I would have expected to see a bit more speed from the bow. We have been hovering around that 300 fps mark for several years now. I think the point I am trying to make is that there is a significant difference between today’s bows and the bows from five years ago. Today’s bows are quieter with less vibration and recoil but also offer smoother draw cycles with very comparable speeds. We, as individual shooters, can easily overlook this small but simple fact. Even I get caught up in the speed craze now and again without remembering how we were able to get where we are today.

In concluding, I think the Vipertec to be another step forward towards Hoyt’s ultimate hunting bow. About the only improvements I would like to see is a slightly longer axle-to-axle length coupled with a slightly more aggressive cam style. Not too aggressive mind you but enough to squeak a few more ft. lbs more of kinetic energy out of the bow without sacrificing any bit of a flat trajectory. Lastly, and my only real complaint, what happened to the 31 inch draw length offering on all the short bows???

muzzyman88 12-08-2003 08:26 PM

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PAbowhunter, you're lucky. I was gonna give you heck for not having that review on our desk! ;) I was about to ask where it was... and poof...there it was.

I always enjoyed and respected your reviews. Unbiased, even though from my experience you have always had a preference for Hoyt. You give a very detailed, honest review of your personal opinions of the bow.

Enough about that. As you know I have been really looking hard at this particular model for my next bow. I'm curious. I have shot the Versacam Cyber the last couple years and have very little experience with the Cam.5. How does the draw cycle compare? Smoother, easier pulling?

Also, with the shorter movement of the slide, how is this going to affect the performance of some cable slide driven drop aways? A gentlemen at our shop who just started shooting the Vipertec claims to be having a little trouble getting an MZE to tune correctly with it. Makes sense, but curious of your thoughts.

Again, great review and ITS ABOUT TIME!!:D

Kanga 12-08-2003 09:11 PM

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Frank.
As usual another outstanding report.

JOE PA 12-08-2003 09:22 PM

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Very nice review, Frank. Sounds like a pretty nice bow. Wonder how you would have liked the X-Tec?

It almost sounds like you were a bit spoiled by that VFT bow that you had last year.;)

pdq 5oh 12-08-2003 09:32 PM

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Good review Frank. I shot last year's Razortec & Cybertec. Very nice bows. This one sounds like one, too.

PABowhntr 12-09-2003 04:51 AM

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Muzz,

It definitely is a top notch bow and I am surprised you do not have one on order already. :)...that and a Liberty too. :D

The draw cycle on the Cam and a half is smoother than the Versacam in the sense that the bow reaches peak weight sooner during the draw cycle and does not drop off as precipitously into the valley.

As for the drop away rest/cable guard movement issue...I honestly cannot say. I can imagine it being something to seriously consider if you plan on putting a drop-away style rest onto the bow but having not actually installed one on the bow I cannot say for sure. Maybe Len has already had a situation where he had to mount a Muzzy ZE or other drop away onto the Vipertec or Xtec designs.

Thank you for the kind words. :)

Ausie,

Thank you. :)

Jeff,

I had considered the XTec and there is one down at the shop should I decide to go that route (plus it actually goes up to a 30.5 inch draw length ;)). The axle to axle length on it is just a tad higher than what I consider ideal for my shooting style but other than that I think I would be pleased with it as a hunting bow....and most definitely a 3D bow.

Good observation. The Patriot SC has sort of influenced my way of approaching each new bow especially in terms of my overall expectations.

Phil,

I would go on record as saying that the Vipertec actually ranks a bit higher than the Razor and Cyber in some categories. It definitely is a positive refinement of their lineup.

peakrut2000 12-09-2003 05:55 AM

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What is the price on this? Also any price on the razortec?
I am thinking of going with the razortec, specs show a bit faster.



Thanks
Peak


Live and Learn

PABowhntr 12-09-2003 06:10 AM

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Locally, both bows are the same price....right around $600 but that is going to vary from region to region and dealer to dealer.

Rangeball 12-09-2003 08:01 AM

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As always, excellent review Frank.

I really like the looks of that bow. I also like the way Hoyt's grips feel in my hand.

The ONLY thing that keeps me from giving them a second look is their lack of oomph. Other bows can provide the aesthetics, low/no recoil and hand shock, but with 15-20 more fps...

Sagittarius 12-09-2003 08:59 AM

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Frank,

The stretched "I" beam is a pretty good bow but someday you need to shoot the Ultimate "I" beam. ;)
Great report on your new Hoyt!


Sag.

PABowhntr 12-09-2003 09:10 AM

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Thank you both for the kind sentiments. :)

Rangeball,

Yes, I feel somewhat the same way though those same thoughts are what sparked my comments in the conclusion. We don't get something for nothing so in order to get that extra speed we need to either have a shorter brace height, a stiffer draw cycle or a heavier draw weight. For what it is the Vipertec is a great little bow but it is going to have some stiff competition from what I hear Mathews is coming out with this year as well as the new Bowtech models.

Sag,

:D That scenario is even farther from happening now than it was 5 years ago as my wife and son have now definitely sapped my fund base...:D. I will make you a deal though.....when you buy and keep something besides those fancy bows you are currently shooting then I will buy a Bowman...:D

silentassassin 12-09-2003 09:56 AM

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That was an excellent report.;)

Rack-attack 12-09-2003 10:25 AM

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Great Job PA - as usuall;)

looks nice - hoyts are IMO very well built bows............

Its just that riser and their speed...........

PABowhntr 12-09-2003 10:38 AM

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Thank you again for the compliments. :)

RA,

The riser does not bother as much as the speed issue does...and even that is somewhat minor considering almost all manufacturers are in the same ball park so it becomes more of an issue of the bow's other shooting qualities and overall craftsmanship.....at least in my case.

JeffB 12-09-2003 11:05 AM

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Superb review as always Frank.:D

In a nutshell w/ my limited experience w/ the ViperTec, I came to the same general conclusions as you. Very, very smooth shooter, a little bouncy on target, and speed is...:eek: . Very nice machining on the new risers this year for sure. Hoyt continues to improve their machining year after year!

I think the X-tec will run neck and neck w/ the ViperTec for sales if folks are able to compare them side by side; IMO the X-tec is the better mousetrap, and in the shop already it has found more proponents than the ViperTec has..not just for speed, but for aiming/stability as well. The few extra $ are worth it AFAIC.

Just wish you'd do a 5 grain test on your bows..buy yourself some CX300s for cryin out loud! :D;)

PABowhntr 12-09-2003 11:11 AM

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Actually, I do have some CX 300s down in the basement....all fletched up and ready to go at 365 grains. But, if you remember the last time I sent one out of one of the last Hoyt's I owned then you can understand my reluctance to test them again....;)

JeffB 12-09-2003 11:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: PABowhntr

Actually, I do have some CX 300s down in the basement....all fletched up and ready to go at 365 grains. But, if you remember the last time I sent one out of one of the last Hoyt's I owned then you can understand my reluctance to test them again....;)
Oh my. Has it been a year already?

PABowhntr 12-09-2003 11:21 AM

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Let me rifle through the assortment of shafts I have down there and I will see what I can do about your request. ;)

Matt / PA 12-09-2003 04:13 PM

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Oh just shoot one ya big sissy![:o];):D

I want to hear your thoughts on a lighter arrow as well.......it sounds to me like this is the Hoyt "Equivalent" of the BowTech Liberty that I just purchased. Speeds and shot reaction sound similar, which is why i would like to hear your thoughts on the lighter arrow.......I was shooting 375gr arrows at 75# from the first Liberty I shot and had the same shot reaction........no recoil etc. They sound very comparable it would be cool to shoot both side by side.
So, we no longer have to drag you kicking and screaming into the light of the longer riser, parallel limb, slightly higher mass weight?
Bout' time. that and the string loop thing too.:D
By the way, did ya blow a string leech already? I only see the top one or did you explain that in there somewhere?

Great review Frank, it really is, and the bow sounds terrific. If you get a chance to shoot it next to a Liberty send me your thoughts, I'd be ineterested in that. Too bad we aren't a bit closer together.......I doubt we'd have much trouble shooting each other's bows.:)

PABowhntr 12-09-2003 05:58 PM

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Very observant Matt. You are correct. One of the leeches did fly out when I shot the bow initially. I had to reinstall it in the bowstring and then serve it to keep in in place. I guess that I am either shooting to high of a speed or there are not enough twists in the string for them to sit on their own.

I will get around to shooting the lighter arrow when I can. The little guy kept me from doing any testing this evening. Friday looks like the earliest I can accomodate you and Jeff.

Yes, I do see the benefit to the slightly heavier, longer riser and shorter, parallel limb design. It has all its own appeal....though I am hoping the new MM VFT is a bit lighter or at least has slightly better mass weight distribution in comparison to my '03 Pat.

Lastly, we really don't live all that far apart. I was down your way last spring when I bought that SD Rhino from Deer Valley Sporting Goods in York. I might be taking a hard look at their newest offering come this spring as well. :)

As for the comparison to the Liberty....maybe. I think the vipertec is closer to the MM VFT in terms of both companies' overall lineup. I would like to put the Liberty up agains the Xtec...which also might be on my short list now that I had a chance to really play with one today.

Matt / PA 12-09-2003 06:33 PM

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Frank ,
Just curious as to why you think the Vipertec is closer to the Mighty Mite?I think its almost as close as you can get with these 2.
Vipertec:
32" ATA
7.5" BH
3.75lbs
300fps IBO

Liberty:
33" ATA
7.5" BH
3.8lbs
300fps IBO (that was my Birth certificate)

I would think the X-Tec would be directly comparable to the 2004 Patriot Single cam?........both 35" and 7" brace heights.

The Mighty Mite I don't think will directly translate into any of the Hoyt's lie-up on paper........7 3/4" BH and 320 speed?

marmax 12-09-2003 10:58 PM

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Excellent review on the new Vipertech. I drew several of the new Hoyts when I was at the shop last week and waiting for the salesman to set me up a Bowtech. I don't know why I didn't try one of the Hoyts. The draw was exceptionally smooth and I guess I just had my mind on the Bowtech. I too have speed on the brain and I wish that Hoyt would just make a little more radical cam. I think I will have to make another trip to the shop and shoot some of the Hoyts just to be fair though :eek:.
Great report!;)

DaveH 12-10-2003 12:01 AM

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Frank--as usual, great job! One of the reasons I bought my Razortec last year was your review of it. Good, fair and unbiased info provided in an intelligent and informative manner.

PABowhntr 12-10-2003 04:49 AM

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Matt,

I was looking at it more from the perspective of each companies' respective lineups. The Vipertec, at 32 inches, is Hoyt's "short bow" while most of the Bowtech lineup is 35 inches and under I think the Mighty Mite is their "short bow". In my opinion the Liberty and XTec are more similar despite the two inch difference in axle to axle length because they are both flagship bows this year for both companies and both are more "middle of the road" in terms of specs compared to each of the companies' respective lineups.

Bowtech has a ton of bows that could probably be compared to the Vipertec and Xtec since mose of them are in that same axle to axle length range though, ofcourse, with additional speed. :)

Is the '04 Patriot Single cam 35 inches from axle to axle? If so then I am going to cross it off my short list...too long. :D

Marmax,

You mirrored my feelings exactly. My suggestion last year with the Razortec was to offer it with the Spiral cam as well for those of us who prefer a little more oomph than what the standard Cam and a Half produces.

DaveH,

Thank you for the compliment. I do try to put forth an effort when putting one of these together. I am glad I had something to do with helping you in one of your bow purchases.

PABowhntr 01-29-2004 08:03 AM

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Bump for the new forum....

Mikey S. 01-29-2004 09:40 AM

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Pabowhuntr - If I could ask you somewhat of a hypothetical question........... If you were "pick" between a razortec or vipertec for hunting and occasional trips to the 3-d range, which would be your choice........with the difference is speed not being considered? I'm looking for an answer based on stability/forgivenss between the 2. The reason I am asking: I currently own an 03 Razortec, and although I really like the bow, I do consider it to be a little "unstable" when it comes to delivering arrows to the mark at 30-40 yard ranges. I really want to shoot the vipertec at my local shop, hoping that the longer riser on the vipertec will help stabilize the bow more on the longer shots, as opposed to the razortec with it's shorter riser design. Now please don't think that I carelessly fling arrows at deer at 40 yard ranges, but having the ability to shoot well at that range with a particular bow is important to me if an opportunity presents itself. Just looking for a more detailed comparison of the 2 bows and their shootability, when compared to each other. Great report by the way.!

DavidPaul007 01-29-2004 08:32 PM

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Wow...too bad i missed this review earlier. I can feel my head expanding with all the knowledge you throw out there! :D

PABowhntr 01-30-2004 11:30 AM

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If I could ask you somewhat of a hypothetical question........... If you were "pick" between a razortec or vipertec for hunting and occasional trips to the 3-d range, which would be your choice........with the difference is speed not being considered?
I know what you are asking and would have somewhat of a difficult time making that distinction. The Vipertec is a more stable design...period. However, it is a bit lighter in weight and length which also adds some instability. Probably the Vipertec if pressed on the subject though I would also mention the Xtec at 35 inches with a similar riser/limb design to the Vipertec may be more of what you are looking for.

Thank both of you gentleman for the compliments. I hope to do a review of some of the Bowtechs I have just gotten my hands on as well.

Mikey S. 01-30-2004 01:10 PM

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I know what you're saying here also............I've shot the Xtec, and didn't mention it on purpose, just to see if you would bring it up. That thing just sits there, sits there while aiming, and sits there after the release. Definitly my frontrunner choice for this season. But the shorter Vipertec, with the longer riser just stirs my curiosity; and since I started hunting with a summit viper stand this past year(I'm used to a Bushmaster), I'm not quite sure if that 35" bow is gonna bump that front bar or not in the heat of the battle.....
Guess I just have to wait till my dealer buddy comes back from the Lancaster shoot to get one the Vipertecs rigged up..

Hey, thanks for the reply!

MATTHEWS 02-20-2004 01:26 PM

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Great information on Hoyts Vipertec PA Bowhunter. I wish I would of seen this review before putting my Vipertec on Layaway. I currently own a Matthews Q2XL. And just wanted to buy a shorter bow for treestand hunting. I am switching to carbons this year and was looking for more speed. It seems that maybe I should of checked out a few other lineups of Hoyt.

MATTHEWS 02-25-2004 11:49 AM

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Hey Pa Bowhunter do you happen to have any comments on the Supertec from Hoyt. I know the brace height differs and also axle to axle length is a bet longer. I currently have the vipertec on layaway at my local bowshop and still have the opportunity to switch before making the purchase. I am looking for more speed and realize the supertec is 30 fps faster than the vipertec but how do you feel about the 6 inch brace height on the supertec?

PABowhntr 02-26-2004 06:06 AM

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I am not as enthusiastic about the Supertec as I am the Vipertec, Razortec and Xtec for two reasons.

One, is the previously mentioned brace height issue. In my opinion it is not only too short for consistant sleeve clearance but it also makes form errors a larger part of the accuracy equation.

Two, is the cam style on the Supertec. To me knowledge it is only available with the Spiral Cam and a Half system. This system is not as adjustable for draw length as the standard cam and a half and the valley is significantly shorter.

Just as well made as the others....but not as shootable in my opinion. If you want more speed than the Vipertec then the Razortec would be my next choice.

MATTHEWS 02-26-2004 11:05 AM

RE: Hoyt Vipertec ........ in Review
 
Thanks alot PABowhntr for all of your info. I think I am going to stick with the vipertec and give it a chance. My goal is to shoot around 270 to 275 fps at 70 pound draw weight and probably around a 30 inch draw. Do you have any suggestions on an arrow that may accomplish this equipped with a 100grain field tip. Or is this even accomplishable without putting to much stress on this bow.

MATTHEWS 02-26-2004 11:11 AM

RE: Hoyt Vipertec ........ in Review
 
Hey PABowhntr I reread your earlier post and realized you already answered my questions about speed thanks alot for all your input.


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