RE: bisker wisket
 

I can't figure out why anyone would hunt without one. I fletch my arrows with Bohning Blazers and the WB has never caused any trouble with them.

RE: bisker wisket
 

Its easy for me. A WB is a good hunting rest. It is good like cabelastoys said. It's good for people that are happy with hitting a paper plate. It is just a fact that they are not as accurate as a drop away rest. How many competative shooters have you seen with a WB on there bow. ZERO! What do they all have, drop aways. WHY? Because drop aways are more accurate.

This argument is on this forum all the time. Im sick of WB shooters saying they can shoot just as good or better groups with a WB than with a drop away. It doesn't make sense. Any mistake you make after you let go of the string with a WB will affect your arrow flight becasue your arrow and feathers are going to contact it every time. Once you let go of the string with a drop away there is no contact with the arrow and the rest anymore, thus it's way more forgiving and way more accurate. The only way a WB shooter could be as accurate is if they had perfect form every singel shot and we know that is never the case.

RE: bisker wisket
 

Not true at all........you will findvery few professional archers using a drop away rest on the target line for field, spots, or fita. Of the pro classes on the 3D course still less than half are using a drop away although you will find a few more 3D'ers using them. You will find the majority of these guys shooting a spring steel type blade setup like a trophy taker spring steel, or a tuner blade setup. These types of rests have contact w/ the shaft the entire lenght upon release.

What happens on a bad shot when the nock is still attached to the string, which is usually 27-30" away from the center axis point of the bow that is actually torqued (your hand on the riser). Familiar with the lever effect? Lets say your hand on the riser moves 1/16" how much does that move your nock when its 29" away? This will have MUCH more effect on where your arrow goes than the rest thats on the riser.....think about it.

This target was shot by Jim Despart at the shop I work at (our old location) with a whisker biscuit.For the record Jim did go to Vegas with a biscuit on his bow as well at least once that I know of. He is arguably the most dominant indoor target shooter this sport has ever seen. Must be the biscuit isn't as bad as people think, how would one shoot a target like this with one if it wasn't that great?



I am still waiting on a cam, string, and new scope lense setup for my indoor spots bow for this year. I will be conducting the test I outlined above w/ a biscuit, TT spring steel, and any other rest that you guys want to see. I have a feeling a lot of people will be shocked when they see the outcome. They won't like the biscuit any more however I think a lot of people will see that it isn't as bad as its cracked up to me and certainly capable of a lot better than paperplate groups.

RE: bisker wisket
 

Ok yes, not all the pro's use drop aways, some use regular rests too. My point was do you see any of them use a WB. No, Why? Because they are not as accurat. I can go and print a picture of my paper targe and post it here to, and tell everyone that a drop awaycando this. Im talking about the average hunter here. Not your professional buddy that shoots for you and then signs his target for you.

My point was that it can be and is a great hunting rest. I don't think it was made for accuracy but made for convenience. Such as being a good rest that keeps your arrow stable while hunting. I would use one for certian kinds of hunting, say I was grizzly hunting in the bush and I was on my feet alot and moving around stalking. (GREAT REST, for that kind of hunting). I just don't want people to be mis-informed and be told that a WB is just as accurate as a drop away.

I never said it was a bad rest, not once.

"Familiar with the lever effect? Lets say your hand on the riser moves 1/16" how much does that move your nock when its 29" away? This will have MUCH more effect on where your arrow goes than the rest thats on the riser.....think about it."

.....yes Im familiar with the lever effect. Your point is understood, but that was my point. I believe you have to have perfect form becuae when things like that happen the WB only compounds that movement.

RE: bisker wisket
 

Alright, I will say it............I firmly believe that the whisker biscuit is as accurate as any drop away on the market right now for the average hunter. People may not believe in it for whatever reason which instills lack of confidence in the setup and their equipment which is not good and does not promote accuracy, however the rest itself in my opinion is just as capable of accuracy in the hands of an average shooter as anything else on the market. We can respectfully agree to disagree here, but the test I am going to do I think will open some eyes. It would take some hard evidence to prove to me otherwise with the shooting I have done, and my customers have done with a biscuit in the past.

RE: bisker wisket
 

To say -or imply- that people using a WB are only capable of paper plate sized groups is ridiculous. And insulting. If that's all the tighter your groups are with a WB, then there are some other issues involved. Don't blame the WB.

Also - if there are accuracy or vane issues, it's likely a tuning problem. The WB needs to be tuned just like anything else.

RE: bisker wisket
 

C j Your right I should not have said that. That statementwasincorrect. As shown on the picture of the target above. I apoligize if I insulted anyone.

Again I think they are a good rest.

RE: bisker wisket
 

No sweat, tschammel. I can't say definitively that WBs are as accurate as a drop-away, because I've never set out to do a comparative test. I do know that the WBs are plenty accurate - enough that I never looked back after making the change from a drop-away.

RE: bisker wisket
 

The test would be good Rick but your far from an average shooter I would think (not many have gone through 10 releases :D) The test though to be a good one would take time to complete. One of the things I've read about is a test done concerning the length of time between shots and it's effect. I would think a biscuit would have a greater impact because of the friction involved and the heat generated causing things to expand. Another is the conditions in which it is used. Another is the kind of shaft. And another is it's life when used in different situations. I know my GT shafts have a lot of dust to them while the bemans I just got have none. Has to effect it's life and efficiency.

I think the biscuit is the best containment rest out there, it just falls short in other categories compared to other rests, but that's not it's claim. It's claim is that you cannot have an arrow fall off ever again and it does that with flying colors. One thing that really burns me about the rest is that they are not up front about the equipment that is needed to use one like blazers. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth when a company leaves a guy to hang like that. They've been around long enough to make it known right on the package. A little truth in advertising is needed. I also think the cost for one is ridiculous. It's a tiny plastic broom. 2 more categories for the test, usability with average equipmentand value.

Old Joe walks into a store and out with a biscuit, what can he expect? Based on the # of past post just on this site I think we have a pretty good idea. Your name aint Joe.:D

RE: bisker wisket
 

The WB is great for hunting and that's mostly what I doand therefore that's what I use.